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Old 16th May 2008, 10:58 PM   #31
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Gychang,

I know it's OT, but how did you like the BIB w/ " El Cheapo" ?

Do you feel it needs a tweeter?

Your dim's are somewhat larger than the dims Zayne742 came up with from the excel worksheet, how did you find the lower tuning re: performance?

I've looked at several of your builds on various designs, how would you rate the " El Cheapo" BIB in comparison to other designs?

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Old 17th May 2008, 03:38 AM   #32
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Gychang,

I know it's OT, but how did you like the BIB w/ " El Cheapo" ?

Do you feel it needs a tweeter?

Your dim's are somewhat larger than the dims Zayne742 came up with from the excel worksheet, how did you find the lower tuning re: performance?

I've looked at several of your builds on various designs, how would you rate the " El Cheapo" BIB in comparison to other designs?

John

El Cheapo is the tops in my book!, for the price and simplicity. I did not need a separate tweeter for my use of popular and classical music.

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My BIB cabinet is larger and I was glad I built the larger one recommended by Scottmoose, did not use the Excel sheet I was shocked at the sound. Bass was surprising and more than adequate for my needs (I don't listen to rock, no problems at all with classical music)

My Pioneer 8"+tweeter combo seem better, certainly fits in better with our furniture, but I would have no difficulty living with ElCheapo BIB alone..

Click the image to open in full size.

more samples are here:
http://s182.photobucket.com/albums/x...hang/?start=20

I hope this is helpful. My ElCheapo BIB has been snatched by my relative and I am considering building another...

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Old 17th May 2008, 12:47 PM   #33
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Thanks, Gychang.

I'm going to do HT, and WAF is the hinge factor, even more than cost.

I appreciate your reply, and sharing your photo's.

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Old 18th May 2008, 09:44 AM   #34
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Suggestion: present her with a selection of drawings, sans dimensions, and preferably with pictures of high quality builds, that you select. Make sure you put nothing in there that you're not interested in, ensure the aforementioned pictures do not make the speakers look over-large, or the fact that there might be other options. Then let her choose which of those you present to her that she likes most (or dislikes least). While you're at it, get her to choose the eventual finish. It's likely that there'll be something in there (assuming, say, 3 or more options) that she will give the nod to, even if it's a little reluctant.

Oh yes -top tip: make sure the first thing she hears through them, once finished, is her favourite piece of music. Or that new CD she's been meaning to buy, hasn't yet, & you cunningly aquired for specifically this purpose, complete with box of chocolates / flowers / whatever for being so supportive.
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Old 18th May 2008, 11:34 AM   #35
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While double BVR's and BiB's are a bit tall for the treatment, I remind you that floorstanders make ideal plant stands. A plant that drapes down one side can be rather elegant and WAF skyrockets with zero compromise to SQ. They will also support pictures and figurines. When she does the final setup, resistance tends to fade.

My MLTL's in the HT room have a draping plant on the left one and a bamboo plant and a picture on the right. I would post a picture except I am out of town at the moment.

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Old 18th May 2008, 11:55 AM   #36
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From the Mouse, to the Moose.

I like the way you think!

Just the excuse I've needed to learn sketch-up. Alas, negotiations have been underway for some time already. We've been Married for Twenty-five years. The current state of negotiations include a new 16/9 Telly, and HT set-up. I've been showing her some of the pictures posted on the BIB thread to "warm her Up". We'll be replacing an entertainment center purchased in the '80s, and I do plan to present visual aids along with a completed proposal.

Current state of evolution is to tart-up the cabinets to resemble mission style, with a nice Honey-Oak finish. The TV will Wall mount above a Decware "Wicked One" Sub. turned outlet down and raised 6" or so off the floor. This will be flanked with the BIB's a center channel will ride atop the sub directly under the TV. Centerchannel and surround speakers are still TBD.

She's not extremely picky, I have to make this all fit the available space, and look presentable( she doesn't like visible drivers ). I also have to figure out where to put the bookshelf I'll have to displace to fit this all in. A bridge to cross when I come to it.

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Old 18th May 2008, 12:02 PM   #37
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Plants = nice touch. Should help mass-load the cabinet too, so if anything, they might even improve the sonics.
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Old 18th May 2008, 12:10 PM   #38
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Mr. Brines, I missed your post while I was composing previous reply.

The Problem with plants is that the four-legged-furry-purring-lapwarmers we're serving then think they are in the jungle, and act accordingly. Cat proofing is something that is so ingrained in my psyche, I don't have to think about it, it's part of the process. ALL items must be stable enough to survive climbing, and jumping to and fro. Many years ago I lost a set of ADS bookshelf speakers to a very fat fluffy cat named " Spike the fluffy cat " who thought he could walk behind an 11" deep speaker on a 12" deep shelf. Acoustic suspension speakers just don't sound the same when you knock the corner of the cabinet OFF !

Spike found a new mommy.

I'm still around, several cats later......

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Old 18th May 2008, 05:05 PM   #39
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mightym,

If you look back in post #26 at the picture of my newest set. You will see a false panel that is removable. That is exactly for the prevention of stuck furball removal. It also helps keep the stuffing in place in the cabinet, and not throughout the house. For some reason, they liked to sleep atop the last set. Just a word of advice, if they do fall in, tip and run!
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Old 18th May 2008, 09:33 PM   #40
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I did wonder about your "lid". I'm going to have to do a sketch, and post it. I'm thinking that I'll have to raise the driver slightly ( thus raising the top of the cabinet too ) to put it alongside the screen. I'd planned to "fill" the cavity at the bottom with ballast to prevent "cat tipping". Our felines are too lazy to jump that high anyway ( I know, famous last words...).

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