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Old 13th April 2008, 06:38 AM   #11
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My most recent "Hi-End" speaker cables are Utilitech 16 AWG wire in the 2+/1- configuration with simple tinned leads. I'd say they may be better than my previous Carol brand speaker cable, but I honestly haven't been doing any A/B testing. But at 21 cents a foot, I'm not disappointed either.


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Old 14th April 2008, 12:39 PM   #12
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I'd put speaker cable at a similar "bang for your bucks" grade as the paint/finish on your cabinets. Any acoustic improvements are very minor compared to the cost.

Basically it's not important enough to spend any serious money on. Spend the money on drivers instead. Save for speakers, scrounge for cable.
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Old 14th April 2008, 02:03 PM   #13
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I fell into the "audiophile" speaker cable trap. Fortunatly I never had enough money to do that much damage. I still run a set of Tara labs inwall cable to my KEFs. Once I get some of my single driver projects done I'll have to brew some of my own.

I've used some of this guy's stuff for internal wire and interconnects. Good stuff. I'll probably try some for speaker wire.
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Old 14th April 2008, 02:21 PM   #14
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A minor point to be sure, and more significant for microphone etc. leads, but keep in mind that silver in contact with teflon is about the worst possible combination in terms of triboelectric charging / distortion.
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Old 14th April 2008, 02:24 PM   #15
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was cat 5 now cat 7 single strands solid. I buy the length I need and have metres left over to experiment with.
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Old 14th April 2008, 02:29 PM   #16
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Thanks Scott, I never new that. A day on which you learn something is never wasted.

So far I've only heard the kapton sheathed stuff but I have the teflon in my Monica dac that's not singing just yet. Once that girl is running I'll have a listen and see if I can hear a difference.
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Old 14th April 2008, 03:16 PM   #17
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A minor point to be sure, and more significant for microphone etc. leads, but keep in mind that silver in contact with teflon is about the worst possible combination in terms of triboelectric charging / distortion.
??? Silver/teflon is still the standard AFAIK for up in the mHz BW where any distortion is far more an issue than at audible frequencies, so what am I missing?

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Old 14th April 2008, 04:13 PM   #18
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Nothing AFAIK. You know far more about it than I do Greg. It was more an observation that teflon has rather lively triboelectric properties, especially in contact with silver. And as both are relatively stiff, mechanically speaking, then my simplistic reasoning suggests that we have potential for microphonic issues, though one would assume that would be more of an issue for (say) mic. leads or something likely to be subject to vibrations.

Sadly, I'm a cable luddite at best. I usually stick with either solid core of about 12AWG, or something like 8AWG stranded, which seem to work fine for me most of the time. Probably laziness on my part.
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Old 14th April 2008, 10:24 PM   #19
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Scott - at your next "meeting of the clans", you should try to spend some time listening for the signatures of different wire/cable types.

My vote is for the simplest to use light gauge solid copper - CAT5 plenum for at least the last 5 years now. A lot easier to work with than those at either extreme. (for some anxious entertainment, try terminating KSL speaker wire into a banana plug)

Having owned only a small sampling of the "nearly audiophile tweaky stuff" in the past - "Cobra" cable, Fulton, Naim, Linn bi-wire, QED, plus an assortment of hardware store zip/lamp cord, I just give up.

After a few hours of listening to the music, and with the aid of your favorite liquid relaxation agents, I think the little analog computer between one's ears can compensate for all but the most egregious of deficiencies the complete system might demonstrate.

The only two times I tried to seriously assess the ribbon type were the cheap (excuse me, entry level) Nordost (which I didn't particularly like the sound of, and is a PITA to terminate), and Dave's current DIY ribbon cable.
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Old 14th April 2008, 11:17 PM   #20
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The only two times I tried to seriously assess the ribbon type were the cheap (excuse me, entry level) Nordost (which I didn't particularly like the sound of, and is a PITA to terminate), and Dave's current DIY ribbon cable.
You seem to acknowledge that different cables have different sound, even if you didn't like the sound. Is it therefore a leap to guess there might be a cable whose sound you do like?

I agree the process is a PITA, there are many brands and we haven't even touched upon bi-wiring. For me the end result was worth the effort, of course for someone else, their mileage may vary.
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