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Old 2nd March 2007, 05:53 AM   #21
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You got me excited guys. I will try the demagnitizer on a Windows Vista DVD. Maybe after that system will have fewer bugs
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Old 2nd March 2007, 07:29 AM   #22
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Having said that, demagnetizing cds to improve the sound is a absurd notion.

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In full agreement. Still, someone, who's ears i trust built one and swears by the effect. I am too scared to try it out myself.
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Old 2nd March 2007, 08:10 AM   #23
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Awww, come on - you all are missing the importance of CD demagnetizers, speaker cable directional burn-in gadgets and other such trailblazing inventions! No HiFi fair, tweakers' website or esoteric glossy FooFi magazine would be as screamingly funny without the snake oil peddlers and their gullible clientele.
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Old 2nd March 2007, 02:34 PM   #24
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I also am dubious of a lot of exaggerated claims about sound enhancing products and their science.
However.....
I also accept that science does not always tell us how a product will sound in an audio application.
Take for example the favourite bete noire of many here---cables.Science tells us that there is no way we should hear any difference between reasonable well constructed cables either for speakers or for ic´s.
I know that I have heard differences -and I only say differences- between cables not to mention resistors, capacitors etc.I and many others could be deluding ourselves of course but statistically I find this a small possibility.I also know that sometimes I have not heard any real differences between some of these components as well.
I have also copied a bit perfect cd with EAC and have heard a difference which should not be there.
So I say let´s use science as a general compass not to stray too far from our objective but use our immediate senses to lead us on the path we are following.
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Old 2nd March 2007, 04:26 PM   #25
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protos,
you live close to the beach famous for the prettiest filled bikinis in the world - but isn't it the same as HiFi?
As soon as you get it home you notice the difference between looks and performance.

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Old 2nd March 2007, 04:44 PM   #26
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you live close to the beach famous for the prettiest filled bikinis in the world - but isn't it the same as HiFi?
As soon as you get it home you notice the difference between looks and performance.

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I will try your suggestion in the interests of performing a service to the audiophile brotherhood of the world and report the results forthwith.

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Old 2nd March 2007, 04:44 PM   #27
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I know that I have heard differences -and I only say differences- between cables not to mention resistors, capacitors etc.I and many others could be deluding ourselves of course but statistically I find this a small possibility.I also know that sometimes I have not heard any real differences between some of these components as well.

You probably *perceived* a difference with some of the changes you made, but it doesn’t mean you heard a difference. Perception combines physically hearing something then blending the sensation with emotion, anticipation, and other mental modifiers to produce a cognitive result.

Changing cables and capacitors probably makes music you like sound better, but try it with songs you’ve never heard or songs you hate. Anticipating changes to make improvements will produce fantastic results, albeit non-quantifiable.

Science doesn’t completely understand all physics in the universe, but I’m pretty sure it has a pretty good grip on CD-media’s properties.
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You probably *perceived* a difference with some of the changes you made, but it doesn’t mean you heard a difference. Perception combines physically hearing something then blending the sensation with emotion, anticipation, and other mental modifiers to produce a cognitive result.

Changing cables and capacitors probably makes music you like sound better, but try it with songs you’ve never heard or songs you hate. Anticipating changes to make improvements will produce fantastic results, albeit non-quantifiable.

Science doesn’t completely understand all physics in the universe, but I’m pretty sure it has a pretty good grip on CD-media’s properties.
With cables, capacitors and other components, there are audible differences which can also be measured but I am talking about the difference between 'bellwire' and heavy-duty speaker cables !! Whether freezing the bellwire would make it sound better............I'll leave it up to you to decide.

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Old 2nd March 2007, 05:44 PM   #29
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By "making sense" I did not mean that the magnetizing makes sense. About that I know nothing. (I guess I know a bit more now.) What does make sense to me is that the quality of CDs has gone down. That is something I would expect. That's how a commodity-oriented market works. That's economics 101.

And desperate measures for me would be like buying some cleaning stuff for CDs.

But, yes, I'm desperate. I look at my some 30 CDs and feel like a complete idiot. How stupid are you when you pay money--any money--for junk? The PlayStation does make me feel a bit less like a moron. At least I haven't paid big money for a CD player only to play discs that are of so poor quality, Junji Kimura of 47 Labs says they shouldn't even be played.
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The nice thing is that you can objectively see if your CDs are made poorly and if the newer ones are worse than the older ones- simply count the errors.
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