I want to understand amplifiers.

Opus Pocus · 14th August 2006, 09:37 PM

Hi. I am new to the forums. I am not sure what to search for so here is my statement. I have built a Revised Zen and a Bride of Zen. But I don't "understand" how it all works and how I can tweak it. I am a car fanatic, I know what makes horespower because I know how motors work. I know what each mechanical component does and how I can change it to get the results I want (usually involves a huge turbocharger and lot of high octane fuel). So, with that being said, I want to understand how amplifiers work so I can tweak, modify, and expirement. Where should I look to find some explaination? Thank You for answering my totally newbie question!

pinkmouse · 14th August 2006, 10:08 PM

Horowitz and Hill, "the Art of Electronics" is a good start, then after that for more specialist audio books, Randy Slone's are good, and for a very particular viewpoint, Doug Self's book " Audio Amplifier Design Handbook" is excellent.

Nelson Pass · 14th August 2006, 10:14 PM

If you are a mechanical kind of guy, I recommend reading the
original Zen articles and then building the Son of Zen. As an
amplifier, its popularity lives on, and it seems to appeal strongly
to people who understand hardware but feel intimidated by the
electronics.

PS. John Linsley Hood's "The Art of Linear Electronics" is coming
back into print soon.

Zen Mod · 14th August 2006, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Opus Pocus
Hi. I am new to the forums. I am not sure what to search for so here is my statement. I have built a Revised Zen and a Bride of Zen. But I don't "understand" how it all works and how I can tweak it. I am a car fanatic, I know what makes horespower because I know how motors work. I know what each mechanical component does and how I can change it to get the results I want (usually involves a huge turbocharger and lot of high octane fuel). So, with that being said, I want to understand how amplifiers work so I can tweak, modify, and expirement. Where should I look to find some explaination? Thank You for answering my totally newbie question!

http://choky.on.neobee.net/downloads/Bookmarks.rar

download,open and look for books (links)
mebbe it will help

pinkmouse · 14th August 2006, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nelson Pass
IPS. John Linsley Hood's "The Art of Linear Electronics" is coming
back into print soon.

Excellent news.

flg · 14th August 2006, 11:20 PM

The Pass Labs forum is not necessarily a "horsepower" place. But, you realize, I'm shure, how you can Blueprint and port match and throw in a cam matched to the bore/stroke/induction and exhaust systems. You can set up the timing and carburation, injection and get a much more responsive motor... That's kind of what we are tryin to do. Straiten everything out the way it really should have been, so it does what it's supposed to do with much less mass produced crap and excuses...
Try http://my.integritynet.com.au/purdic/rf_amp.htm and there is some good stuff here http://sound.westhost.com/articles.htm Hope that helps.

Babowana · 15th August 2006, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nelson Pass

John Linsley Hood's "The Art of Linear Electronics" is coming
back into print soon.

This book is also the best help when I can't get to sleep . . .
Be carefull. One night, the book puched my just slept nose . . .

Wow . . . it was a real heavy puch dropped from the sky . . .

Opus Pocus · 15th August 2006, 03:19 PM

Yes, I am fully aware this is not a "Horespower Forum", nor am I here to discuss horespower. The statement was made for analogical purposes, to make a point if you will. But I thank you for your somewhat facetious reply. Great links. Thank you all.

jacco vermeulen · 15th August 2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Opus Pocus
a Horespower Forum

How NYC Harlem 70s

Opus Pocus · 15th August 2006, 04:01 PM

The original Zen articles are very good. I discovered the articles a few years ago when I got into the high fidelity scene. As metioned earlier, I have completed the Revised Zen, with 4 extra 10k capacitor and a 2mh coil on each channel to create a negative feedback loop to cancel some of the hum. I then built the Bride of Zen, both were very fun projects. I was 18 when I built them. I am 21 now. I am sad to say that I have never really heard what they can do, my transmission line speakers are fairly inefficient and do not respond well to the ten watter especially in a concrete dorm room. I am in the process of building some more efficient speakers but I am having a hard time deciding how I want to build them. Any driver or enclosure recommedations are welcome, and yes I know this is not the loudspeaker forum but it is Pass related. I am sure you folks know the characteristics of the Zen better than some of the members in the Loudspeaker forum. I was going to build the Son of Zen but I changed my mind and stuck with the original. Once again, thank you all for your help and I look foward to learning a lot in these forums.

14th August 2006, 09:37 PM	#1
Opus Pocus diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2006	I want to understand amplifiers. Hi. I am new to the forums. I am not sure what to search for so here is my statement. I have built a Revised Zen and a Bride of Zen. But I don't "understand" how it all works and how I can tweak it. I am a car fanatic, I know what makes horespower because I know how motors work. I know what each mechanical component does and how I can change it to get the results I want (usually involves a huge turbocharger and lot of high octane fuel). So, with that being said, I want to understand how amplifiers work so I can tweak, modify, and expirement. Where should I look to find some explaination? Thank You for answering my totally newbie question!

14th August 2006, 10:08 PM	#2
pinkmouse diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chatham, England	Horowitz and Hill, "the Art of Electronics" is a good start, then after that for more specialist audio books, Randy Slone's are good, and for a very particular viewpoint, Doug Self's book " Audio Amplifier Design Handbook" is excellent. __________________ Al I conceive of nothing, in religion, science or philosophy, that is more than the proper thing to wear, for a while. Charles Fort

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14th August 2006, 10:14 PM	#3
Nelson Pass The one and only Join Date: Mar 2001	If you are a mechanical kind of guy, I recommend reading the original Zen articles and then building the Son of Zen. As an amplifier, its popularity lives on, and it seems to appeal strongly to people who understand hardware but feel intimidated by the electronics. PS. John Linsley Hood's "The Art of Linear Electronics" is coming back into print soon.

14th August 2006, 11:20 PM	#6
flg diyAudio Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North East	The Pass Labs forum is not necessarily a "horsepower" place. But, you realize, I'm shure, how you can Blueprint and port match and throw in a cam matched to the bore/stroke/induction and exhaust systems. You can set up the timing and carburation, injection and get a much more responsive motor... That's kind of what we are tryin to do. Straiten everything out the way it really should have been, so it does what it's supposed to do with much less mass produced crap and excuses... Try http://my.integritynet.com.au/purdic/rf_amp.htm and there is some good stuff here http://sound.westhost.com/articles.htm Hope that helps.

15th August 2006, 03:19 PM	#8
Opus Pocus diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2006	Yes, I am fully aware this is not a "Horespower Forum", nor am I here to discuss horespower. The statement was made for analogical purposes, to make a point if you will. But I thank you for your somewhat facetious reply. Great links. Thank you all.

15th August 2006, 04:01 PM	#10
Opus Pocus diyAudio Member Join Date: Aug 2006	The original Zen articles are very good. I discovered the articles a few years ago when I got into the high fidelity scene. As metioned earlier, I have completed the Revised Zen, with 4 extra 10k capacitor and a 2mh coil on each channel to create a negative feedback loop to cancel some of the hum. I then built the Bride of Zen, both were very fun projects. I was 18 when I built them. I am 21 now. I am sad to say that I have never really heard what they can do, my transmission line speakers are fairly inefficient and do not respond well to the ten watter especially in a concrete dorm room. I am in the process of building some more efficient speakers but I am having a hard time deciding how I want to build them. Any driver or enclosure recommedations are welcome, and yes I know this is not the loudspeaker forum but it is Pass related. I am sure you folks know the characteristics of the Zen better than some of the members in the Loudspeaker forum. I was going to build the Son of Zen but I changed my mind and stuck with the original. Once again, thank you all for your help and I look foward to learning a lot in these forums.