You all are better on without me / Let's talk about Dice45 leaving

[Fred Dieckmann]

Now if we can just get Peranders to leave............

[jean-paul]

Why Per has to leave ? It is great to have an other opinion than he has.
Without controversy a forum like this isn't fun and nothing we can learn from. Suppose everybody thinks the same, talks the same !?!? Wouldn't be very inspiring would it ? My esteem for Per is high despite the sometimes contradictionary things he says. Just have a look at his website to see what the man has done.
Instead of just talking and/or simulating he actually builds audio gear.

It is easier to disagree than to agree on the matters we like for a hobby. This shouldn't be a problem when we disagree/agree with a healthy respect for the other despite his/hers opinion.
Recently a lack of respect is showing its head around the corner. War have started like this in the past. Convincing people of your opinion certainly won't succeed if respect is lacking anyhow.If brought with respect someone might even agree with you if not partially.

Please let's keep cool and let's try to make this forum a peaceful place again. The Dice45/Fdegrove thing has stirred up things to levels that don't fit on Diyaudio.com.

Jean-Paul

[jh6you]

Fred: Hey!! Your speaker looks like the sound track to Jaws...

By the way, I feel very sorry for the case. My posts about
moderators were not to suggest any resignation...

JH

[ststone]

I think it is the end of year jitter, they will all be back on February 29.

Sint en Piet zaten te bedenken
Dat pakjesavond er is voor geschenken
Straks wordt er op de deur geklopt
Voor Nelson Pass die z'n eigen boontjes dopt

Als dit cadeau van papier wordt ontdaan
Heeft Nelson Pass niets meer te wensen voortaan
Voor een kind dat soms ondeugend is
Is deze Aleph-X misschien toch lekker en fris

Je krijgt nu wel dit mooie ding
En voor Sint was dat niet gering
Alle kinderen groot en klein
Gaan in de zak als ze ondeugend zijn

De zak met pakjes is bijna weer leeg
Je kreeg nu je koekje van bloedeigen deeg
Bedwing nog heel even je ongeduld
Want straks is je voorraad weer aangevuld

[ststone]

Sorry about the Dutch Poem, but It is a special day for the Dutchies

[jh6you]

Is deze Aleph-X misschien toch lekker en fris

Even here, Aleph-X...?!!?

JH

[Fred Dieckmann]

Sigh............... I said it in jest since Peranders had used my rehabilitation as an example. It was a bit of harmless fun and I don't want anybody to go away. Back to the Dice 45 issue:

First, the correct phrase is "You all are better OFF without me." I think what is more important is what is better for Bernhard. He has drawn a lot off criticism, some deserved most not however. his only real sin was excessive passion for his moderation duty and the desire to see civil discourse on the forum. I don't blame him for wanting a break from being a lightning rod for criticism.
I see little support for any of the moderators when the act. It is a shame since the forum can use some moderation and it is a tough call in most instances. If I were a moderator I would slap a lot more people in the Sin Bin and not waste a lot of time justifying my actions. We have reached a point on the forum where the number of petty personality conflicts looks to outnumber the number of post about audio. If you want drama I recommend opera. Is any body interested in audio design anymore other than to start a fight over someone's ideas.

[jean-paul]

Hi Ststone,

You must be dutch to know the language so well ! Your Sinterklaas poems are better than mine I have to admit.
The risk of posting in the dutch language is that if the french, germans and swedes for example will start to do the same this site will become unreadable

Sinterklaas is an old saint that gives away presents at the 5th of December ( his birthday ). He arrives per ship from Spain with guys that are called Zwarte Pieten. They hand over sweets to the children and scare the children that have been naughty.The children that have been sweet the past year will be given presents on the evening of the 5th. The ones that were not so sweet are being taken to Spain where Sinterklaas lives. Of course this doesn't happen to a lot of children.
Sinterklaas was imported to America by the dutch immigrants and somehow it developed to Santaclaus and a connection was laid with X-mas.
Strange thing is that Santaclaus was imported back to the Netherlands because of heavy american influence. Nowadays children receive presents from Sinterklaas on the 5th and from Santaclaus on the 25th of december.
Of course the children don't mind...

[ststone]

Jean-Paul, I am sorry but being away from the Netherlands made me nostalgic. I think we should allow one posting in a native language per member per month. This was mine and I will not do so for the rest of December.

[Fred Dieckmann]

He would be a busy guy on this forum...........