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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Parsippany, NJ
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Moderater Note: This thread actually started here (gives some of the comments context).
dave ![]() Bob4 Well, I really want to try and build my own audio system and also get advice on a video system to purchase . Unfortunately, I've been cursed with really good hearing and every system that I ever heard for less than $2000 (including speakers) sucks. A friend of mine told me to buy some good used stuff but I thought that had its own inherent problems so that led me to diy. I think some of the enclosure work might give me some trouble but I'm hoping that I might get some hand holding in here to help get it done. Ken L That response sounds like you wrote it while your wife was looking over your shoulder, you rascal you. Well, I'm all for a fella who behaves, even if it is coerced |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Munich, Bavaria
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Dave,
hinthint, ladies like open baffle speakers... ...haven't you got some frugalphile(tm) alnico paper cones for Gina? Gina, handholding has just started BTW, women hear in a different manner than men do ... and this manner is atleast as valid; don't get your confidence shattered by some rude male telling you what you ought to hear Another BTW, i have hardly heard a commercial speaker below $2000 which does not suck. Not to speak of a whole system for $2000. Just reviewing my post, reading Ken's, grinning ear2ear
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Parsippany, NJ
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dice45
I know that at first glance $2000 seems undoable but here is how I figured it. I have $1000 budgeted for speakers. I already own a decent phonograph and a own a DVD player (weak link) that will play cd's and a good cassette deck so there will be $1000 for an amp and preamp. I think that is a doable budget without much compramise. I've seen good condition used Vandersteen 3's locally for much less than $1000 and new stuff like the Rega Jura is within the budget as well. I'm not so worried about the speakers because I'll be using my headphones most of the time anyway. So now that you know my objectives, where should I start Mr. Moderator? Ken L I do declare! You tongue has more sugar than the sweetest cane. |
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Munich, Bavaria
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Gina,
have to admit, i am lost on your Q. It is ys ago i purchased stuff. All home-built, either by me or buddies. Hold it, i own a minidisc recorder from Sony i am quite happy with. MDS-JB930. A very nice sounding device. I once worked in a hifi store but apart from AudioReseach, Rowland, VTL, Spectral, Marl Levinson, i do not even remember the brand names. Vandersteen? himmh, probably a speaker manufacturer. I could tell you which phono cartridge to buy or which turntable or tonearm. Quote:
If you get acquainted with building your own audio gear, you might find that more satisfying and way more bang for the buck and you have influence on the sonics, you can shape the sound you want to have .. within limits of course. I did not chase you in planet10's arms without reason, he knows how to get fancy sonics for a few bucks ... he will use some vintage tube gear probably and fullrange speakers with alnico magnets and paper cones. Does not cost a fortune, sings, makes music, makes you smile. The suggestions i have read from him are dirt-cheap and what i hear is that people are quite happy with them, it certainly is worth a try. Just order some papercone FR drivers and screw them in a big baffle and find out for some weeks if you like it. And then borrow good speakers from a buddy and look if you still can like them. If someone would take my $$$ Fertin speakers away from me right now, well, i would ask Dave for some cheapocheapo papercones, saw a hole in an old door, screw them in and have beautiful music. Not kidding. But to topic: as amp, you could build an ASKA kit, or you could go with PassDIY, what ever you feel you can manage as 1st project. You also could order and integrated tube amp kit from our member Gabevee. I am quite sure, you arrive at a much higher level sonically than if you buy used commercial stuff. And this will be the same with speakers, please ask the people in the speaker board as i have lost touch with enclosured speakers. Cannot give valid advice on existing kits or products. You ask me where to start? find out what you really like, what you like for long-term listening. I bet you want to listen to music finally and not to equipment, right? Tube amps or SolidState amps? FR speaker or conventional 3-way, vented or closed? Tranmision lines? Backloaded horn speakers? Audio is personal taste to a high extent. What suits me perfectly may not suit you (so please take my open baffle enthusiasm with a grain of salt But trying out what suits you can be fun.
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Chatham, England
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Hi Gina, welcome to the forums!
May I suggest a simple starting point, it may screw up the overall budget, but it might lead to more satisfaction in the long term. I would support totally going frugalphile(TM), but for slightly different reasons. As a beginner to diy, start with simple projects, it can be very frustrating getting half way through a complex and expensive project and having to give up through lack of time, money, and understanding ( I know, I have been there!) I would suggest using some of Dave's drainpipes with the Inverted Gainclone amp, ( do a search, they are mentioned frequently on this board). and that way you could put a system together for a couple of hundred dollars, that would probably sound better than you imagine, and if you decide to procede further, can be used as the basis for a second system. Good luck
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Parsippany, NJ
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dice45
I think I should start with a preamplifier. The Zen projects look doable but they appear to need a matching preamp so that should probably be where to begin. See my comments below concerning "frugalphilia". Planet 10 I don't think the frugalphile route is for me. I can't have the industrial (rough) appearance match my apartment motif. Even though I'm not a spouse, the SAF I've read about on this forum definitely applies to me. pinkmouse Thanks for the advice. I think a good way to get my feet wet is to start putting together a parts matrix so I can see exactly what the raw material will cost to conclusion. This will minimize some of the surprises that can kill a project or bring it to a crawl. I want to concentrate on only one build effort. I am not in this diy for life, I just want to build what I need and repair it if it breaks. I want to build a preamp and amplifier pair that will keep me happy for the rest of my days. A pair that is dead quiet and sweet sounding. It must create an excellent image and not fade or clip when driven to full volume. It should also look presentable and fit within my budget which is $1000, am I asking too much? Well, if you guys help me out, my girlfriends might get so excited about what I've built that you may just get a flood of hot sexy girls joining this site and suddenly finding audio geeks irresistable |
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: U.K.
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Munich, Bavaria
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Gina,
good, preamp. What for a preamp do you need? Line level only (CD-player, DVD, tuner etc.) or do you als want to run a phono turntable with a MM cartridge (5mV @ 0dB)? Or maybe you prefer MC cartridges (0.2mV @ 0dB)) ? How important is a luxury circuitry for tape recorders? (source/tape monitoring, pos.feedback blocking etc)? Solid state of tube preamp? Housing: how important is the look? I may have some advice here too but ask Peter Daniel, he is the housing BTW, i would try the circuit out on a breadboard and if you know what you want, then buy or design an appropriate housing. Quote:
One word to frugalphilia(tm) : it can happen inside a beautiful housing. It will enable you to have more tries within your budget.
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diyAudio Member
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: deep south
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www.bottlehead.com
a Foreplay preamp for 149.00 a set of Paramour 2A3 monoblocks for 549 All within beginner level, look sharp - are audophile quality and leave enough nickels left over to splurge on High Efficiency Speakers - the 2A3's have an excellent reputation within the High Resolution Sound community for sounding good at low cost. The kits are reasonably priced and well thought of, you would have more than adequate resources for assistance, the designs are well known and debugged. These circuits are reasonably simple and should put together pretty easily. You don't seem interested in actually building something from scratch - While it is doable, it takes time energy and effort to make something from nothing - and it helps to have mechanical skills and a small shop, etc. One thing I like about the above scenario, is that it leaves enough left over for really nice HE drivers - which is going to be the really difficult part of that budget. My humble musings Ken
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Parsippany, NJ
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Ken L
Thank you for that link. It looks indeed very doable and definitely within my budget. High efficiency speaker elements; as a general rule I don't particularly like them. I like my music jumping out of the silence so I don't want to hear any trace of amplifier hiss or hum. All of the tube gear that I've heard fails miserably in this regard and even though it is spacious and beautiful in the high registers tubes that I've heard don't have the grunt on the basso that thrills my vacant center dice45 Yes, I definitely want a phono stage and I would like circuits in it for both MC and MM cartridges. Come to think of it, a pot to match the cartridge impedence would be a good idea too if it doesn't degrade the perfomance. The tape/record circuit should be as clean as possible. All the gain and level adjustments belong on the cassette deck and not on the preamp IMHO. I have a very nice Pro Revox so I can afford to say this but I understand the need for this kind of 'luxury' for people who record on their VCRs. As far as the concept of Audio Nirvana: you would be surprised |
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