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Fred Dieckmann 11th November 2002 11:52 AM

November 11
"I will come to a time in my backwards trip when November eleventh, accidentally my birthday, was a sacred day called Armistice Day. When I was a boy, all the people of all the nations which had fought in the First World War were silent during the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of Armistice Day, which was the eleventh day of the eleventh month.

It was during that minute in nineteen hundred and eighteen, that millions upon millions of human beings stopped butchering one and another. I have talked to old men who were on battlefields during that minute. They have told me in one way or another that the sudden silence was the voice of God. So we still have among us some men who can remember when God spoke clearly to mankind.

Armistice Day has become Veterans' Day. Armistice Day was sacred. Veterans' day is not.

So I will throw Veterans' Day over my shoulder. Armistice Day I will keep. I don't want to throw away any sacred things.

What else is sacred? Oh, Romeo and Juliet, for instance.

And all music is."

-- "Breakfast of Champions" by Kurt Vonnegut, 1973

Happy 80th Birthday Mr. Vonnegut,

They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

-- from "For The Fallen" by Laurence Binyon, 1914

peterr 11th November 2002 11:58 AM


accidentally my birthday
:birthday: :drink:

Fred Dieckmann 11th November 2002 12:02 PM

accidentally my birthday
Well Happy Birthday to you also, on this day for remembrance.


HDTVman 11th November 2002 01:10 PM

Happy Birthday to you Fred and Peter, and many more as well.


Fred Dieckmann 11th November 2002 01:43 PM

Its not my birthday
I am aging fast enough as it is.

Some other birthdays today:

Leonardo DiCaprio
Peta Wilson
Calista Flockhart
Demi Moore
Bibi Andersson
Jonathan Winters
Kurt Vonnegut
George Patton
Pat O'Brien
Alger Hiss

dice45 11th November 2002 04:34 PM

Fred and Peter,
happy :birthday: birthday :cheerful:

fdegrove 11th November 2002 06:00 PM

Hi guys,

Thx Phred for remembering.

It is a sacred day indeed.


"I will come to a time in my backwards trip when November eleventh, accidentally my birthday, was a sacred day called Armistice Day.


-- "Breakfast of Champions" by Kurt Vonnegut, 1973

You've all been :drink: :drink: :drink: waaay too much.:drunk:


Tony D. 11th November 2002 06:14 PM

Hi Fred and All,

I wanted to post something on the topic of Rememberance Day but I could not find the "right" thing to say so thanks for your post.

My Dad and two of his Brothers went to war in Europe and after Juno Beach only my Dad came home, not quite the same man according to my Mother.

This year November 11 is somewhat more poignant with all that has come and gone recently and the Drums of War being beaten again, or still.

I hope that reason prevails.

Tony D.

Ken L 11th November 2002 09:09 PM

Well, since we call it Veterans day now.
How many veterans do we have out there?

If you like why don't you post to this thread - any particulars you might want -

Ken L**********
US Army
Signal Corp
Sept 8, 1966 thru Sept 6, 1968


jackinnj 12th November 2002 01:52 AM

I missed the draft by exactly three, and that was the last of the draft thereafter. Had a couple friends who were going through college after Viet Nam (when I was an undergrad), used to throw down the Rheingold's at "The Web" until closing with them -- which was a few hours before Sunday Mass ! Boy did we kill some brain cells.

Aaahhhh, the early 1970's with the smell of beer, the smell of weed, the sound of Janis Jopelin, the refugees from Woodstock and not knowing whether you were going to be toting a rifle next semester. You youngsters will never understand.

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