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Old 8th November 2002, 01:02 AM   #11
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Well, er.... no, wait, I changed my mind.

This one ISN'T worth commenting on...

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Old 8th November 2002, 01:10 AM   #12
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Default STARWARS.

Hi,

Kinda proves the point at hand wouldn't you say?

Calling all enlightened:Fred (hey I speeled it correctly),Jocko and all others?

Rest assured it DOESN'T take a doctorandus degree in Nuclear Physics to splain this.


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Old 8th November 2002, 01:11 AM   #13
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Default Ummmm, welllllllllll

while I cracked a joke about it, I was only half kidding - knowing that Peter will try different things -

I was referring to the subjectivist -objectivist thread that ran on so long when I asked was he trying to start something.

I will readily say that I am skeptical but not convinced of either con or pro.

Only my ears will convince me of yea or nay - but with the product being ultra high dollars, on my budget, I am unlikely to make a final determination, which is why I figured Peter Daniel could _test_ the product for the rest of us at DIYAUDIO.

I do have one reservation, though - If this is "the greatest thing since grits" why have we not heard of it as being so??

On even numbered weeks I am a skeptical cynic. On odd numbered weeks I reverse myself and am a cynical skeptic, for balance - and because I have trouble remembering which week I'm supposed to be on

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Old 8th November 2002, 01:18 AM   #14
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Default PIG.

Hi,

Shall we now appoint Peter as our official "guinea pig"?

Shall we then chip in and put 10 USD in his piggie?

Ken,

Like your sense of humour though.
Chopping up the timber?

Cheers,


P.S.i don't drink Claret but real Bordeaux.
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Old 8th November 2002, 01:35 AM   #15
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Frank, just one question. Do you see differences in degree of wildness in evaluating wild claims? Would you treat someone who claims to have greatly increased a generator's efficiency, beyond what engineers know how to do but within the realm of conservation of energy, the same way as someone who claims to have invented a perpetual motion machine?

In your mind, when someone throws around buzzword terms which have specific meaning to professionals in the field (which I'm not, though I've published a few refereed papers on quantum theory and conductive materials), but uses the terms in "unusual" ways, offers no evidence other than testimonials, is secretive about what exactly is going on behind the curtain, AND is selling something, is there not *some* presumption that this might be a scam?

BTW, James Bond shot a waiter in one of his movies for saying what you said about Claret.
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Old 8th November 2002, 01:58 AM   #16
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Default WITH ALL RESPECT DUE.

Hi Sy,

I understand you fully.

More than one question is put forward so I'll try to address it and respectfully:

"BTW, James Bond shot a waiter in one of his movies for saying what you said about Claret."

As we're both wine lovers I'll address this point first:

To quote one of the most hilarious Caribbean musicians,Shaggy:

"It wasn't me"

Admittedly I got tipped and played along.

Q#2.
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Do you see differences in degree of wildness in evaluating wild claims? Would you treat someone who claims to have greatly increased a generator's efficiency, beyond what engineers know how to do but within the realm of conservation of energy, the same way as someone who claims to have invented a perpetual motion machine?
A#2.Yes.Yes.

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In your mind, when someone throws around buzzword terms which have specific meaning to professionals in the field (which I'm not, though I've published a few refereed papers on quantum theory and conductive materials), but uses the terms in "unusual" ways, offers no evidence other than testimonials, is secretive about what exactly is going on behind the curtain, AND is selling something, is there not *some* presumption that this might be a scam?
A#3.No.Has anyone ever met with a product revealing all of the science behind the thinking as to the why and how?

Sorry,but I think ByBee is very revealing compared to the rest I've seen.

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Old 8th November 2002, 02:20 AM   #17
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Default Re: RESISTANCE TO PROGRESS?

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Didn't you all have the same dismissive attitude when ...

You forgot one:

....when they said blue LED improves CD playback.
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Old 8th November 2002, 02:27 AM   #18
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Default OH DEAR...

Hi Peter,

I deliberately left a ton out....

Must admit the blue led hadn't even crossed my mind.

I do have limitations as it turns out.

No need to quote Jean Gabin's "Je sais..." on this one .

As I advised before then?

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Old 8th November 2002, 03:03 AM   #19
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Default darn it, this is confusing me

Trying to remember which week it is and whether I should be skeptical cynic or cynical skeptic

- or maybe I'll just quit worrying about it and send $10.00 (canadian) to Peter


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Old 8th November 2002, 10:18 AM   #20
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I have no problem with the concept that placing the right mix of materials strategically placed can make a nice sonic improvement/change/tuning/flavour to audio systems big and small - I know this for fact.
I do however have problems with USD$500 or USD$750 for what in my experience can be had for much, much less.
Frank, thanks for your words regarding openness to 'new' ideas.

Guys, (the non-believers*) just because you don't know the reasons or cannot grasp the concept or have not experience, please learn to be uncynical toward new ideas.

The key is to open your mind and then your ears, and then you will hear more clearly.

Eric.

* - I use the term 'believer' wrongly.
I more so mean those who are dismissive and yet inexperienced.
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