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Old 24th January 2006, 07:02 PM   #1
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Default Audio Nirvana - Where Is It? How Do We Get There?

EC8010 started a threat "What is it all about" this thread has turned into a tube vs SS thread. Which was not what he had in mind. So I've started this thread to see what you guys out there think is the way to go. Tubes? Tubes no way?....SE/PP. SACD? Vinyl. Single Driver? Open baffle? DIY? Home cinema? PC based?

Anything goes really..but the main idea is...what tickles you!

For me...I think the easiest way is. DIY tubes based..be it PP or SE, preferably DHT's and efficient speakers.
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Old 24th January 2006, 07:41 PM   #2
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Some weeks ago I lectured at the Faculty about certain amplifier topologies I've been working.

To put the subject in perspective, I started the presentation with some reflections regarding what means "perfect reproduction", given the context both of technology constraints and psicoacoustical realities.

In a nutshell, one could say audio Nirvana in essence is in the eye of the beholder.

We may agree an objective and indisputable reference, should be the perfect reconstruction of a target acoustic field. That is, a pressure field indistiguishable from the original performance could hardly be challenged. At the same time we must recognize audio holography is far from being a practical reality and it may be speculated to be an unreachable objective, though history has proven wrong these kind of sweeping statements before.

Neither is this condition necessary, in the sense individuals attending a performance from different locations are subject to notoriously different pressure fields yet attain similar emotional experiences. In fact may prefer different locations and this hints to the nature of the problem.

Certainly the matter gets more complicated when the program material is not fully or even partially made from actual sound pickup but of artificial construction. Studio production further blurs what faithful "original" program material could have been, to the point of being the sound engineer part of the final product sthetics.

We are also ordinarily removed from the direct possibility of comparing "original" vs. "reproduced" sound for the same source, witness how different we hear public characters like politicians or media figures through radio and TV as compared with an actual face to face conversation when the possibility comes about. The same holds for other sound sources.

We are in fact quite used to how "reproduced" sound sounds, and use to be surprised whenever we have the infrequent possibility of a direct comparison of original against reproduced.

Couple now the infinitely many ways we have available to tweak the reproduced sound, from selection or lack thereof of a listening environment, type of drivers, electronics etc., plus tone controls - graphic equalizers and so forth.

We can almost always find a way to adjust the listening experience to our liking, but then it must be recognized it is **our** liking, hardly a standard prone to widespread acceptance.

So back to the beginning, there are probably as many "perfect" systems as people listening, for the underlying emotional experience responds to a personal sthetics not readily transferable.

I for one, tend to find the best sounding systems are the ones made by me, hardly a surprise for sure.

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Old 24th January 2006, 07:55 PM   #3
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For me, it's a table in a basement club with some elderly guys riffing through "Night Trane." All else is shadows on the wall of the cave.
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Old 24th January 2006, 08:21 PM   #5
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For me, it's a table in a basement club with some elderly guys riffing through "Night Trane." All else is shadows on the wall of the cave.
Can't argue with that one.
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Default audio nirvana,......hmmmm.

Knowing what the heck you are doing is a good start....
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Old 24th January 2006, 08:35 PM   #7
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Old 24th January 2006, 08:38 PM   #8
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No..that is no suprise...

But what do your self made systems look like?
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Audio Nirvana

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Keeping an open mind.
Keeping it cheap.
Keeping it simple.
Keeping it fun.
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Old 25th January 2006, 02:05 AM   #10
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No..that is no suprise...

But what do your self made systems look like?

May this help?

Rodolfo

PS It is a work in progress, will post details later.
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