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Old 22nd December 2005, 12:37 AM   #11
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Default the audio cryptic....blah!

Years ago I subscribed to the AudioCritic when it was new. One year I sent in my money and never received a refund after learning it went out of business. Mr. Aczel, or whoever the jerk was, took my money with no problem. I never thought too much of the man's character after that. People like that are not usually much trustworthy in anything they have to say I have learned throughout the years about human behavior.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 01:13 AM   #12
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So many articles are still like that - and so completly useless for discussing the problems of hypes and lies - because they are full of lies and non-information themselves. The discussion is actually so far beyond that already, thats a laugh. People like the writer of this "article" pamphlet is hardly more than the music critics, who have never been in the concert, judging music by talking, movies by reading and books by listening to gossip.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 01:46 AM   #13
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Another problem and a mystery:
This last complaint is for me the most revealing, since it connects to something I've known for years. My friend asks, Why do dark-sounding units have dark cases and bright, metallic-sounding units silver chassis? The dark thing, the solid-state thing, the "real" real thing, it's simply not credible. And so predictable.

Two points here. My friend's complaint about predictability calls to mind that sad sack of audiophile clichés into which the observationalist too often reaches for inspiration. We tend to model the vocabulary of our perceptions on that of colleagues, no few of whom are, in my opinion, inept or worse. Point two: this business about dark box, dark sound, etc.
An experiment some years back had the testers painting identical loudspeakers different colors.
Subjects reported the speakers sounding dark, bright, and so on, depending on the enclosure's color.



Is silver wire sounding bright and with a clarity in the upper range
while copper more warm and with a musical mid range?
Will cotton wrapped silver get a soft and natural tone?
While PVC plastic wrapped wire get a more artificial clinical soundstage.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 02:02 AM   #14
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Hi Mikeks what a come back with a very provocative thread!

you should take it easy guys

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ps:ill be at the output distortion thread if you'd like to chat with
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merry xmas to all!, never mind be happy....cheers
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Old 22nd December 2005, 02:15 AM   #15
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Is silver wire sounding bright and with a clarity in the upper range
while copper more warm and with a musical mid range?
Interesting that you should mention that, even as a joke. I was at a wire demonstration recently and that was exactly the difference that we "heard." Who knows, maybe it's true, but I sure wouldn't assert it as "fact" without doing a properly controlled test. If the difference we heard was real, then I am at a loss as to why it wouldn't be audible blind. Unless, of course, it's not real, just my human brain playing tricks on me. Naughty, naughty brain. Thinks about girls, then goes and fools me about wire.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 02:27 AM   #16
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I have a certain amount of sympathy with some of his opoinions but not necessarily the way they are presented. It just takes the discussion into the "Yes, it is!" --- "No, it isn't." sort of p***ing contest. I much prefer, for example, Rod Elliot's approach when he is challenging a a point of view. Namely, actual experimental data or at least a simulation. That gives you something of substance to debate.

There are somethings I won't talk about anymore. For example, if asked my opinion on cables these days, my stock (and true) answer that they bore me. And my advice is to use coat hangers or $1,000 per foot platinum plated thingees or anything in between your heart desires and leave me alone. Please.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 03:18 AM   #17
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hmmm....

Do i have the guts?????????????????????????????/
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Old 22nd December 2005, 03:20 AM   #18
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SY,

Who had a remote in his pocket???
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Old 22nd December 2005, 03:29 AM   #19
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his last complaint is for me the most revealing, since it connects to something I've known for years. My friend asks, Why do dark-sounding units have dark cases and bright, metallic-sounding units silver chassis? The dark thing, the solid-state thing, the "real" real thing, it's simply not credible. And so predictable.
Well, I can tell you that from working with computers, dark cases help keep the bogomips from getting out. This is going to be important with any digital source.

It could be that they are responsible for the metallic sound.
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Old 22nd December 2005, 03:32 AM   #20
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Yellow wires are less dynamic... because they lack courage...
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