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Old 19th October 2002, 02:22 AM   #1
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This part of a the thread started somewhere else (, but since it has nothing to do with the original subject i decided to move it here. It is my first major decision as a fresh moderator and time will only tell if it was right. But I sensed some deeper thoughts here and the need for expression by some well known members of this forum and I think it is worth reading. Fell free to present an alternative POV.

Peter Daniel.

Now I give it back to Grey:

.......Sounds like the kind of thing that should be brought to the attention of the regulatory agencies. There's no need for you to have to build a piece of equipment just because some <i>non compos mentis</i> can't be bothered to get the signal right.
I've been dealing with morons here for the last twenty years. Take any five average South Carolinians and add their IQs and you'll be lucky if it equals the wattage of the lightbulb in the ceiling (it's no wonder that SC is at or near the bottom of the list every time they publish SAT scores, etc.). Rattle some cages. Make them miserable until they get off their rumps and fix the problem.
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Old 19th October 2002, 05:53 AM   #2
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If any other "moron South Carolinian" member reading this modus tollens is half as P.O.ed as I am at your condesending and insulting post, I hope he will speak up too. My IQ is 110, what's yours? I don't think it would take too much smarts to move from a state that I hated long before for twenty years of de profundis. Perhaps the moderators would be interested in your ipse dixit.

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Old 19th October 2002, 11:49 AM   #3
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Years ago my mother used to say to me, she'd say, "In this world, Elwood, you must be" -- she always called me Elwood -- "In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. And you may quote me.

Old 19th October 2002, 02:17 PM   #4
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Good, glad to hear that you're not contributing to the problem.
The trick, of course, is not to be an <i>average</i> South Carolinian.
Many citizens here lack the perspective to grasp that there is...or even can be...anthing better. I used to work with a woman who bragged that she'd never been out of the state. Ever. She'd react poorly when anyone pointed out that things were so bad here, but lacked any referent for comparison.
People shouldn't tolerate mediocrity, else how will things ever get any better. Complacency is the rule. Couple that with knee-jerk reactions (the stories I could tell about the school systems...) to real world problems and you've got a recipe for ongoing, generation-to-generation ignorance and stupidity.
I understand your reaction, but look at the facts before you start castigating me. In general, SC is among the lowest three (West Virginia and Mississippi being the other two the last time I looked) in SAT scores. Economics, of course, follow, so we're also a poor state. How's a kid with no thoughts in his/her head going to get a decent paying job? The economics then tend to perpetuate the cycle. People blame all sorts of factors (it's always the <i>other</i> guy's fault, natch), but the fact remains that until people deal with the problem--and denying that there is a problem won't make it go away--it will continue.
Case in point: myself. Educated in Spartanburg (which at that time supposedly had some of the best schools in the state). Went through a succession of moves that ended up with me landing in the high school in Chapel Hill, NC. I was <i>three years</i> behind. Three years! And NC was <i>not</i> the top of the heap in the education field (how far SC is/was behind the front-runners doesn't even bear contemplating); in those days, they were about 27th or 28th as I recall. I dug in my heels and caught up. Finished near the top of my class, in fact, then went on to UNC and did the college thing. Then found myself back down here. Hmmm. Nothing like a bucket of cold water in the face.
You're insulted?
Now, do something with that energy.
Educate someone. Still got energy? Educate someone else. Break the cycle!
Our eldest was the first kid to ever get a 4.0 at the Govenor's School (the science and math one in Hartsville, not the arts one) in their junior year.
Don't shoot the messenger...realize that there's a problem and do something about it. While you're at it, slap someone else around and get them moving, too. It ain't going to change until people change it themselves. It's for sure the government isn't going to do anything but spew platitudes and cliches. After all, they're...<i>South Carolinians!</i>


P.S.: My IQ is about 130.
Old 19th October 2002, 03:10 PM   #5
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Spent 6 months in Bridgeport, WV last year. Liked the people, liked the state, (this was actually one of my best times on a job)
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Old 19th October 2002, 08:11 PM   #6
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Default do anything but spew platitudes and cliches

"You're insulted?
Now, do something with that energy."

Boy........ I feel really stupid now. I thought the pretencious latin thrown carlessly about in by post and the follow up post were a dead give away about my motives and intentions. I taught my self enough latin to sound impressive in ten minutes at:
Highly recommended for my fellow would be psuedo intellectuals.

NOUN: 1a. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit. b. The branch of literature constituting such works. See synonyms at caricature. 2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.
ETYMOLOGY: Latin satira, probably alteration (influenced by Greek satur, satyr, and saturos, burlesque of a mythical episode), of (lanx) satura, fruit (plate) mixture, from feminine of satur, sated, well-fitted. See s- in Appendix I.

I actually am not in or from South Carolina. I was born in NYC and dragged around Europe and the US as the son of an Air Force pilot. If our German house keeper, who loved me as if I were her own, had only kidnapped me I might have had the chance to be raised as a German. My first friends as a very small child were French wino's (a married couple) who came by to collect wine bottles from our trash. This was followed by a spotty education at remote Air Force bases all over the USA. And then my parents moved us to AKANSAS, the hilbillly heaven of the entire USA! And yet, some how I managed to be exposed to the music of Mozart, the literatue of Herman Hesse (a clue....) and the films of Satyajit Ray. Then it was off to Razorback U. in Fayetteville, Ark for more Hesse, the films of Fellini and Bergman and my first speaker construction project, a transmissio line with KEF drivers teaching me the difference between high pass and low pass filters. After flunking out of engineering I went to Texas to go to Devo Institute of Technology and worked up nerve to finish my EE degree at the University of Texas at Arlington. And here I am in one of the technology centers of the US, unemployed as hell after fixing a potential 50 million dollar product recall ( a million boards a year by the way) for a French based intenational Telecommunications company. The gratitude I got from the designer who's monster I fixed? He told people how difficult I was to work with behind my back and probably cost me another three
months of employment before being laid off.


"While you're at it, slap someone else around"

Well when I fight mediocrity, pretense, laziness, and the lack of a sense of humor here I am banned, sort of like my last job come to think of it. Maybe not such a good policy after all but not an excuse for being a bastard to people I will be the first to admit. I sometimes think of this forum as group therapy session and I think I might not be the only one here who feels that way. Lets face it folks, High End is not a hobby. It is an obsession, a fetish, and addiction that has unhinged plenty of people. As my hero Hermmann Hesse said in Steppenwolf about the magic theater, For Madmen Only! Sorry for the length and ranting but Damn that was cathartic and I sould have done it a long time ago....

The name of Bobby Roberts is a composite of the names of two Arkansas doctors (surgen and internal medicine guy) I know and admire. It sounded like a good ol boy is why I picked it. They are smarter and better read than I will be if I lived another 200 hundred years. Another couple of docters in Arkansas saved my mothers life last year with two difficult heart sugeries. One is an Oriental gentleman named Tyrone and has a delta accent that would make you would laugh out loud at if you heard it. He had offers to practice just about anywhere he wanted to. he is biliant and saved my mothers life by the way. There they are in Arkansas. I would let these guys cut me before anyone in Dallas. Location indeed....... right there in Arkansas.

Done ranting for now,


I hope I have left any body out....
Old 19th October 2002, 11:31 PM   #7
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Once upon a time, my ex-wife came to me and said that her friends 'felt bad' because I used words they didn't understand. She asked me not to use big words. I said no. I will not dumb down the way I speak (I write the same way I speak). I would not do it for her, nor will I do it for Fred (yet another name that Harry/Ren/et. al. travel under...perhaps even his 'real' one, who knows?).
'Pretencious,' by the way, is spelled pretentious.
Sesquipedalian: given to or characterized by the use of long words.
I love that word; the fact that it is itself a long word tickles me. I am a sesquipedalian...and proud of it. I read a lot. As I read, I pick up words. Some of them turn out to be useful later on.
I used to volunteer to go teach classes in schools around here when the kids were smaller. Why kites fly, astronomy, writing, what-have-you. I still try to teach people things when the opportunity arises. Fred is different from me. He belittles people who ask questions, cuts them down, criticizes them, then calls it humor. Maybe it's funny to him--it's a lot easier when you're dishing it out than when you're taking it. But what does that say about him as a person? Nothing good. I grew up with someone like that and learned to roundly despise them. Somewhere down inside they know they aren't much, so they try to make themselves comparatively bigger by trampling others down. The weaker their victims are, the easier they are to crush.
I stand by the things I write. Fred doesn't. He says,"It was a joke...can't you take a joke?" He runs from taking responsibility for his words and actions. He hides behind a succession of names that are not his own.
Fred lies. He has told the moderators time and time again that he would leave the site. That he understood that he had caused trouble. Then, within hours, he comes back under yet another assumed name, peddling the same attitude (which sadly, a handful of others find amusing...because they're not the butt of his <i>soi disant</i> ['so-called' in French] 'humor'...note that this doesn't reflect well on them, either).
I stand by what I wrote above. It is not a 'joke,' it is not 'satire,' and I'm not whining "you didn't get it." People here in SC are poor and poorly educated. There are numerous reasons, but given the availability of free public libraries, I feel that it is each person's responsibility to educate themselves if their parents or school system did not do so.
Note that I did not criticize Zoom. I took his cable company to task. I stand by that, too. If you're paying for a product, you should expect that it be delivered intact. Given the general level of competence in these parts, it may take more than a gentle nudge to get the job done.
Can't say that I've met many people from West Virginia, but I enjoyed touring the Greenbank radio telescope facility (the idea of that big telescope coming down in pieces is mind-boggling), and can attest that they have some seriously beautiful territory in one of their parks that I drove through.


P.S.: Fred--fired because you were difficult to work with? Really? Gee, can't imagine why...
Old 19th October 2002, 11:37 PM   #8
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Unhappy You two take the cake!

To Grey - I'm surprised and disappointed that you would make such statements - "I've been dealing with morons here for the last twenty years. Take any five average South Carolinians and add their IQs and you'll be lucky if it equals the wattage of the lightbulb in the ceiling "

I take offence at that statement for myself and on behalf of my fellow SCarolinians - We are not perfect but we are not deserving of your comments.

If they included social graces and tact in the IQ test I suspect you would be much lower on the scale.

Maybe your IQ of 130 isn't worth as much as you might think or you would have realized the obvious, that you were responding to a troll and been trolled twice under different nyms in this very short thread and apparantly only realized you were being trolled after the troll went public.

To HH - you did leave several nyms off your list - Chance Gardener and Frank Morris. That now gives you 12 nyms that you have posted under - 14 if you count the different spellings of two of them.

Where does it end? You made what I can only call an elegant and informative post "putting up resistance". I saw that and thought maybe there is hope. Then I see you trolling in this thread.

Trolling is not funny. Cannot be so in the end. You want to bring some humour to this site? Then do so at your own expense not the expense of others. The problem with humour is that we do not all share the same sense of humour, so sometimes it has the effect of being mean and vicous even if that is not your intent.

While you're at it, why don't you take the same advice you offered to Grey
--'"In this world, you must be oh so smart or oh so pleasant." Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. "---

Besides, your mother said it so you should do it anyhow.

You must want to be a part of this site, you continue to return.

Then I challange you - Join this site under your own name, take responsibilty for your posts, your words and your actions and live with what the site owner and moderators ask of you - just like the rest of us do - they're not perfect, nor is the world - but they're not that bad - nor is the world, nor is SC regardless of what Grollins says.

Think about it - Both of you

Ken L

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Old 20th October 2002, 12:11 AM   #9
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Agreed on most counts.
Yes, I realize that both Elwood and Bobby are Fred/Harry/pick-a-name. That's why I said what I said in the manner I said it.
I offered my IQ because he asked. Actually, it's more like 136 or 138, but I rounded down because I can't recall for sure. It's just not that important to me. My ego lies elsewhere.
I <i>still</i> stand by what I wrote above. Education in this state won't get better until we make it better. It begins with acknowledging that there's a problem. Don't argue with me, look up the facts. This isn't tubes vs. transistors, or MOSFETs vs. bipolars. These are cold, hard facts. They're also sad ones. But we've got a problem here and we should do something about it. I work at the University of South Carolina, in the Computer Services Division. It's absolutely pathetic to see people in there who don't know how a computer works. Ugh.
If I phrase it gently, people respond in predictable ways:
--Denial. "Oh, it's not that bad. Why, my child just got an A in math." Oh, yeah? And how does that math course compare with what others are learning elsewhere?
--Sour grapes. "SATs are just a test. Everybody knows they don't measure anything." There's a grain of truth to this one, in that tests often have trouble measuring what they try to measure, but it's still the closest thing we've got to a national standard.
--Sugar coat it. "Oh, but test scores in our school went up an average of thirty points this year. It's getting better." Sure they did. But so did everybody else's in the nation and we're still seriously behind.
If I can rouse five people, then perhaps three out of the five will take the trouble to go look up the numbers and see that I'm right. Perhaps one of those three will get involved.
Come on, Ken, pitch in...

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The computer ate my rather lengthy reply... I hate it when that happens. I was laid off by the way with thousands of others in the local telecom industry. It is a realy grim scene and I am damn lucky my wife has a decent job. Some of my friends were not so lucky.

Against the assault of laughter, nothing can stand.
- The Mysterious Stranger by Mark Twain

I am rather suprised by the discourse with the sinner that dare not speak his names. Be careful who you talk to lest you suffer the consequences......

Later, maybe...


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