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22nd July 2005, 07:25 PM  #1 
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What is The Formula for RMS Wattage?
What's the formula to convert peak to peak voltage into watts RMS for sine and for square waves?
So like 60 volts sine peak to peak into 8 ohms is ____ watts RMS? And 60 volts square peak to peak into 8 ohms is ___ watts? 
22nd July 2005, 07:44 PM  #2 
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Don't know about square wave. For sine first divide peak voltage by sqrt(2) the square that result and divve by resistance/impedance.
W= ( (Vp/sqrt(2)) * (Vp/sqrt(2)) )/ R Example: Peak volage =42, assume the load is 8 ohms RMS voltage = 42/ sqrt(2)= 42/1.4=30 W=(30*30)/3 = 112.5 This does not take into account losses the fact that if you are taking impedance rather than resistance, it often varies with frequency. 
22nd July 2005, 07:56 PM  #3  
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> P=56.6W For square waves power would be the same as with DC voltages and so P=((30V)^2)/8ohm=112.5W.
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22nd July 2005, 08:34 PM  #4 
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excuse me guys, but Vpeak/sqrt(2) is the effective value of a sinusiodal wave, and if P=(Vpeak/sqrt(2))^2/R, then I (and my teachers at the high school) call "P" as the effective power. not RMS (root means square).
The "Vpeak/sqrt(2)" is the effective value of the sinusoidal wave. This sqrt(2) comes from a very "dirty" maths.... Some integrals are involved grrr :) At square wave the effective valua is simply the duty cycle of the square wave.
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22nd July 2005, 09:01 PM  #5  
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The solution to the integral BTW is not that dirty.
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22nd July 2005, 09:06 PM  #6 
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He's right, we should use P also, because RMS wattage doesn't exist in reality... only RMS voltage or RMS current...
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22nd July 2005, 09:12 PM  #7 
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For a sine wave, power is peaktopeak squared divided by eight times resistance (that is, peak squared divided by twice resistance)
For a square wave, power is peaktopeak squared divided by four times resistance (that is, peak squared divided by resistance)
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22nd July 2005, 09:31 PM  #8  
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I mention this not to be contentious but to keep the original poster from getting confused. We are really just manipulation Ohms Law and the definition of RMS to get the same result by a different sequence. If you want more precision look at: http://www.signaltransfer.freeuk.com/powerout.htm The example I stated with will come out more like 100W in the real world. 

22nd July 2005, 10:00 PM  #9  
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Let´s stay with lgreens example for simplicity and less confusion:
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60 volts square peak to peak into 8 ohms is P=112.5Watts.
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22nd July 2005, 10:45 PM  #10 
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If you build an amp with 60V rails and put a set of output devices suitable for a 56W amp (Class B or AB assumed) you are in for a real suprise.
60Vp / 1.4 = 43V RMS (43V^2)/ 8 ohms = 230W 
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