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Old 17th July 2005, 01:15 PM   #21
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Can't find the right woman hey
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Old 17th July 2005, 02:09 PM   #22
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Hate to be a downer and it's not hi-fi but- the bottom line is that human population is out of control to the detriment of most living things on this planet - just stop breeding, less humans = a better world.
I have decided to not have children!.

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Europe faces a demographic time-bomb as a result (Australia still has net immigration as does the U.S.) -- there won't be enough people to feed the nanny-state by 2050 -- Jan Sobieski III actually lost.

but if you are old enough to recall, we were going to run out of copper according to the Club of Rome -- all shortages are followed by a glut.
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Old 17th July 2005, 02:54 PM   #23
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jackinnj:

I can't complain of you at all because I know you have even tried to recover lead-acid batteries. But you should agree with me that the immense majority of the population is not like that, they just throw away perfectly working and easy to repair equipment, and useful materials without thinking twice. They don't bother to repair anything or give a try to the second-hand market.

That's why most of the production of your beloved industry ends up in some dumpster quite quickly. Isn't it quite sad?

And even with such an industry, USA is experimenting a growing trade deficit. Imports are growing much faster than exports and are currently 45% higher.

Source : http://www.census.gov/indicator/www/ustrade.html

Apparently, new generations are wasting goods and throwing away equipment so quickly that your industry is incapable of covering such outrageous needs. Same happens with oil.

I think that we are going nowere with such a crazy way of life.

Also, I'm not aware of such problems with European population. For example, Spain has negative growth and I think this is quite healthy, we are already 45 million people and human workforce now is hardly required due to automation, a lot of people gets fired from factories each year. I'm sure that being less people we will live better.

I admire Nordic countries: Low population, high incomes, high life standards, very powerful social security and public education systems, population with long and healthy life, and one of the most ecologic places in the world. And they are though enough to use bicycles to move within their cities, even when raining or snowing and with -5șC, they even swim in water at 2șC just for fun.

Isn't it time to discard Middle-Age demographic criteria? Life has changed a lot since then.
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Old 17th July 2005, 03:21 PM   #24
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I think we will all agree that the "throw away, commodity" stereo and surround market has cost us all dearly. It is not worth the knowledge and hours to run a service shop. We have all lost a lot of talent that has made way for the young "hackers".

The cost in extra fuel to transport this stuff, repair costs (throw out now) and lack of performance can not be fully added up. The waste of materials is gross beyond comprehension. The average person bears most of this cost and is not aware of it.

We now are the underground audio people. We have to fix our own gear and repair design errors. I've said it before. We voted with our dollars and this is what we get. Sad to say it will take government regulation and extra cost to us to protect the average person from themselves.

To those companies that build this garbage - thanks.

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Old 17th July 2005, 05:28 PM   #25
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Eva -- I am in the process of recycling a 1987 MB -- feeding a 420 to a 560 !

most of my DIY gear inhabits a chasis or cabinet from something someone else discarded. In particular, I love repurposing used power supplies as audio amplifiers -- made much easier by the telecom bust in 1999-2000.
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Old 17th July 2005, 10:48 PM   #26
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I am also taking back everything nice I said about the habits of Americans -- they are profligate -- while passing Cornell Medical School in NYC this afternoon I found a DYNACO ST-70 and PAS Preamp sitting atop a TV right near the dumpster -- it is now safe at home back in NJ.
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Old 17th July 2005, 11:31 PM   #27
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i got my tannoy GRF cabinents with 15" red drivers for free from a guy whos wife said they were too big, he got them from another guy who was getting divorced.
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Old 18th July 2005, 01:14 AM   #28
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A while back a friend offered me a 10year old mid range yamaha system - amp, cd, tape deck, 2 speakers, tuner etc. I took it and found nothing wrong at all. A single mother that I know ended up with most of it.
When I asked why it was being thrown out the reason was that it took up too much space and was replaced by one of those "all in one" nasty supermarket systems which alwayse sound shocking.

I also picked up a 20 year old high range kenwood system (made in japan) which is now used in the shed. I was told that it had a hum which could not be fixed according to a local retail outlet.
The only fault that I could find was a loose speaker wire crossing between + and -.



As for the "there will not be enough young people to support all the old people" statement that you alwayse hear - stop and think about where that will lead over time - maybe when we get to one
square foot per human on the planet people will stop and think " should we stop breeding now.

Rabitz - I have been in a happy relationship with a like minded woman for 26 years now - we met when we were 16.
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Old 18th July 2005, 11:55 AM   #29
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As for the "there will not be enough young people to support all the old people" statement that you alwayse hear - stop and think about where that will lead over time - maybe when we get to one
square foot per human on the planet people will stop and think " should we stop breeding now.
Well, unless there is an enormous boom in productivity you will no longer have 6 week vacations in the E.U.

It's the math and it's ineluctable.
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Old 18th July 2005, 12:52 PM   #30
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Rabitz - I have been in a happy relationship with a like minded woman for 26 years now - we met when we were 16.
It was a joke.... you're supposed to come back with another joke such as "But I bet you breed like a rabbit"... boom boom. ..... but I see you're serious about the subject and each to their own and that's fine. 26 years... you're only a newly wed

DIY Audio is OK but it pales in comparison to making of a human life, the nurturing, the family experience, even with it's ups and downs. Resistors and caps just aren't the same IMO.

I wouldn't worry too much about the world's over population as wars, disease, disasters and government policies and the big one, nature will sort that out. If you believe all the doomsayers, we're all headed for oblivion anyway, so enjoy the ride while it lasts.

In the next decade or two, Aussies will be dropping like flies anyway as health care will be denied to the poor, frail, elderly and will only be available to those that can afford it, so we'll have negative population growth.... I'll be gone by then, so that's one less

Pfft...... enough of serious.... back to jokes.

There was this guy who........
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