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Old 27th March 2005, 02:19 PM   #1
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Hi

I have got this question from many people here at diy –

Why don’t we see many – Made In India products around ? Like China , Taiwan & Korea


( This note concerns common consumer electronics and general market place goods )

I need to treat this question as a broad one ,

I have been to Taiwan – Korea & China – That too quite a few times ( not to source anything from there ) , just been there –

I have seen my country in the 80 s & now it has changed , Most expensive equipments are Defense Equipments ,

India has an island called Andaman & Nicobar , it is situated right at the gates of Malacca Straits

We have a huge Naval & Air force base there – With it India can control the entire trade from South East Asia – It is like Gibraltar of Mediterranean – This entire base disappeared in the Tsunamis

While other countries were contemplating on the amount of aid to ask the international communities and have bad loans written off – India announced we don’t need any outside help or aid – monetarily

Yet we are apparently not manufacturing anything ?

No that is wrong – infact we are manufacturing – but ?

The Indian Market and Population is so large that we are catering to our own need

Just the heavy good s vehicle industry is growing by 33 % each year – that’s huge - and more or less each & every truck in India – is made in India

Where of more or less every 2 nd heavy vehicle in U.S. , the chassis is forged in India by – Bharat Heavy Forge ( The second largest forging company in the world )

Every thing in India is – Made in India – and it is a huge number of products

Now I need to Club – Korea & Taiwan – together – Very small countries with a huge production capability – They need to sell – elsewhere to absorb this produce – Therefore the huge export of materials from these two else-where

Then you may say China is similar to India

A mass market – Yes a mass market But not similar

this has been one of my reason to travel to China to find out

1 st

Chinese market – initially had been guarded before they opened up – and when they did open up – the people took to all the products being used in the west – they were waiting for Wrigley’s chewing gum – and they just accepted it – same with the digital cameras and mobile phones etc

Then they went in for mass production of these itmes – Chinese people have & use all the latest gizmos that they are exporting – all over the world

( one needs to produce in numbers to keep the pricing competitive )

India being democratic – has set up its own type or identity of product need – Wrigley’s has not done well at all here though other mouth fresheners are booming (local ones & types)

The product we make even in mass scale is mostly for the very large Indian market

Now this Indian produce is not compatible to the requirement of other markets over a broad spectrum of items

2 nd

Indian business is mostly running on individual entrepreneurship and tenacity during the rough times of business – hardly – or very little government help – to mostly non at all – we don’t get access to loans – you can say non at all – till you have become a middle level entity

An Indian wanting to manufacture an Item for export will not be able to raise the funds – unless he is already doing well selling products in the Indian Market – To become a middle level busness house

to reach that middle level identity where the banks will be interested to shell out loan one has to make products required by the Indian market – And this is a vicious circle as this is not compatible to the out side world

For eg . To make a good subwoofer will cost about 80 Usd here - which will include - low inductance edge wound vc - , Non - Press reinforced cone - Large roll Surround - Nomex or similar silicone impregnated heavy duty spider - dual mag motor structure in a under - hung motor structure (with certain improvements)

if i produce this in larger numbers it will be cheaper - even if i process 100 pcs at a cost of 65 usd i will have to invest 6500 usd and when completed - i will have to break my head and involve more money to market it or fright forward it as there are not many takers for this type of a subwoofer - which will be rated at about 300 w rms

These are the various macro and micro problems stopping Indian products reaching outside – whose quality I rate as good as any in the world

Then how is the Indian Economy doing well ? India exports :-

Heavy Industry & products is doing very well

Service Industry is doing very well

Pharmaceuticals is doing very well

Bio – Tech is doing very well

BPO is booming

Garment s & textiles is doing well

Petrochemicals is coming up

Now we break down the business of the above – If China goes ahead and makes all the DVD players in the world , - ok fine –
no problems , it doesn’t raise a hair of mine

( taking that India & China is in competition )

The ground reality is there are 1000 s of Chinese companies competing with one another - with a huge produce – selling at the lowest possible price –

that means :-

for all that man – hours - production facility set up – and all the raw materials involved – raw material sourcing and movement – patents – offices – communication - freight forwarding – and delayed payments – you have made a wee bit of profit

While in India a college kid sitting at a – call center in his off time may make as much profit for India – as much as - a good lot of DVD s will for China

So why in the world will any – one who has got his mathematics and head in place make a DVD player now in this enviornment

But

We Indians should not give up competing or be complacent neither am I attempting to pose our position as a politician

I am in the business of making speakers – Every time I see a Chinese driver my mind automatically focuses in making a similar driver - cheaper & better _

Sooner or later you will find more and more products Made In India

Suranjan Das Gupta
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Old 27th March 2005, 02:24 PM   #2
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I fully agree w/ Suranjan Das Gupta...Nice effort in Inspiring INDIANS!!
Am interested in your drivers.PLs eMail me ..
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Old 5th April 2005, 04:24 AM   #3
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Nice effort in Inspiring INDIANS!!
and how many INDIANS have read this.....10 out of over a billion
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Very interesting stuff... thanx for the editorial

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Old 8th April 2005, 06:05 AM   #5
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99 views and only 3 replies - please guys taken the time to go over this do add a bit

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Old 8th April 2005, 06:51 AM   #6
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Indias joining the WTO and meeting TRIPs obligations is having some effects now that the grace period is ending.

Pharmaceuticals is doing very well.

India will have to stop making generic patented drugs. Cipla will no longer be able to sell generic drugs for 5% of retail to Africans who couldnt buy the name brand to save thier lives (litteraly).

This has been moderated somewhat.

Biotech:
WTO would like India to enforce gene, seed and lifeform patents, not quite sure what the current state of affairs on this is.

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Old 8th April 2005, 07:25 AM   #7
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i think at the end of it - Indian pharmas will be able to buy - out patents - and most major pharma cos will go in for a tie - up or merge with indian ones to produce cheaper versions of life saving drugs - for third world countries

(makes business sence too as the markets exist)

let alone africa , india - and this region of southest asia is poor too

when some one falls sick humans are programmed to survive and look for ways to get well - i think thats with all animals - seen my pet chew on grass and throw up

there will be a common conscience to stop people from dying - and it will involve the sick too

it will be like when major telephone cos merged with cable providers in the US - when the tel provider had the fibre optics & the cable cos the program material ( early 90 s )

i really dont have a lot of in depth info of the bio tech firms but i doubt it will deter back - office research much , plus a supply of bio tech material out-wards

india will do this too :-

this is a chinese model - i have seen it in all their hospitals - large & small

as you are aware traditional chinese medicine is very advanced -

after a diognosis and modern tests / scans etc in a chinese hospital - the doctor choices between traditional chinese medicine and generic ones

we too have an advanced trditional indian medicine

after test and scans and a correct diagnosis using modern methods ( which will be un - effected by the drugs patent ) a poor patient can avail these alternative medicines - which are not patented

and this will be available in all hospitals over large counters just like the generic ones -

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Old 8th April 2005, 07:40 AM   #8
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Ive seen some things that were made in India.

But.

For whatever reason the company that sells it doesnt want to label it as such (software).
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Old 8th April 2005, 07:50 AM   #9
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WTO

1)

unless our government provides access to easier loans for indian manufacturers and busness and at a competetive rate - like china and else where

2)

removes red tapism -

for eg. if you have to set up a company in my place , Calcutta - the paper work formalties take roughly 6 months - with the government and all the licences cost roughly 5500 usd

(and that 5500 usd is dead investment)

3)

revamps their tax - style

for eg. a very good Indian PA Amp - Ahuja BR - 250
(exported all over the world)

costs rs 4600 on the shop floor with profit & overheads

then there is 18 % excise tax - 12.5 % sales atx - 2 % transport charges , 13 % individual state sales tax , and 8 to 12 % dealers cost , 8 % vat

by the time an indian customer purcahses this Indian made Amp costs - Rs 8500 to 9000

( rs 45 = 1 USD )

and if we Import one form China - One time tax 18 % ish to a bit more - thats it

from Thailand & Singapore - 12 % - One time tax

after sept 05 from Thailand & Singapore - 6 % one time tax

Indian government has made reaching Indian customers diffcult for Indian manufacturers and easier for others to enter here

4)

i dont know what they intend to do after WTO

it will only increase the divide between the Rich & the Poor

and beleave me i am not a socialist or (communist) i am a total capitalist

i am just penning down the reality

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Old 8th April 2005, 09:54 PM   #10
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Suranjan,

After you commented in the Malik and Bagri thread, I took the time to read your thread. I have seen you describe yourself as a transducer designer and have read many of your very helpful replies. I have often wondered where your market is and how we in the west might get to experience some of your work.

Can you let us in on some of your accomplishments?
No need to be humble, I'm sure others would like to hear as well.
Can you post pictures?

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