It seems that to become a moderator lately, you have to actively selling some kind of product on the forum and filling it with large number of pictures and verbiage of you wares...................to make a buck the guilty parties are crowding out useful informative (learning) threads with pages of crap about things like gainclone knobs.....for example.
The forum needs to get back to its roots, that is a tool for the exchange of ideas and information, not a supermarket for selling product, especially by moderators, who administer the forum.
It is already obvious that the quality of the content is on a downward spiral. Walt Jung, a noted author, left after having to deal with abuse by some ignorant members and some trying to make money off his designs without permission. Where were the moderators then? Probably too busy trying to make money from plagiarized work.
It would probably a good idea to start a separate section for trade and keep it separate from the main forum.
What is the requirement for the selection of a moderator?
Do thay have a set of rules to follow?
And more importantly, who moderates the moderators?
Regards,
Jam
P.S. This is not an attack at all moderators, because there are some good ones...but I wonder if they are concerned , by what their fellow moderators are up to
The forum needs to get back to its roots, that is a tool for the exchange of ideas and information, not a supermarket for selling product, especially by moderators, who administer the forum.
It is already obvious that the quality of the content is on a downward spiral. Walt Jung, a noted author, left after having to deal with abuse by some ignorant members and some trying to make money off his designs without permission. Where were the moderators then? Probably too busy trying to make money from plagiarized work.
It would probably a good idea to start a separate section for trade and keep it separate from the main forum.
What is the requirement for the selection of a moderator?
Do thay have a set of rules to follow?
And more importantly, who moderates the moderators?
Regards,
Jam
P.S. This is not an attack at all moderators, because there are some good ones...but I wonder if they are concerned , by what their fellow moderators are up to
Hmm, I'm not sure the problem is so severe as that, but it did make me realize I don't even know where the comprehensive list of moderators is! The listing in the /forums/ view is certainly not accurate.
Personally, I don't think there is a problem in making people aware of neat things to buy--people should be MORE aware of this, and it is too bad the sections of the site dedicated to this purpose are also out of date.
Where it crosses the line and starts to become offensive is when moderators or others are actively attacking or criticizing those who could be considered competitors. Even if their intentions are for the best, the conflict of interest should be avoided, IMHO--the price you pay for having a commercial interest is the requirement to be more tactful of others than one would normally be.
Personally, I don't think there is a problem in making people aware of neat things to buy--people should be MORE aware of this, and it is too bad the sections of the site dedicated to this purpose are also out of date.
Where it crosses the line and starts to become offensive is when moderators or others are actively attacking or criticizing those who could be considered competitors. Even if their intentions are for the best, the conflict of interest should be avoided, IMHO--the price you pay for having a commercial interest is the requirement to be more tactful of others than one would normally be.
jam said:
Have you checked out the "Trading Post" section on this forum? This is where people offer up their wares for sale. Personally, I like all of the group buys on knobs, PCB, chassies, etc. They give novice DIYer's a chance to build something without having to engineer everything from scratch. Just my 2 cents.
Cheers,
Zach
Hi,
Good points, Jam....
Question is how do the moderators with a commercial audio activity feel about this themselves?
I couldn't help but notice the way some people automatically feel entitled to attack a moderator from the moment he starts a commercial venture.
This is absolutely uncalled for as this person certainly hasn't changed his attitude towards the other members and was always helpful and a joy to deal with in the past.
However, this aside, I do feel inclined to suggest that people with a vested interest in the industry, no matter how small, should not be moderators at this forum.
It tends to make their job as a moderator unnecessarilly hard and undermines the credibility of their actions.
IOW, if it were me in that situation I'd step down as a moderator and resume ordinary member status.
Cheers,
Good points, Jam....
Question is how do the moderators with a commercial audio activity feel about this themselves?
I couldn't help but notice the way some people automatically feel entitled to attack a moderator from the moment he starts a commercial venture.
This is absolutely uncalled for as this person certainly hasn't changed his attitude towards the other members and was always helpful and a joy to deal with in the past.
However, this aside, I do feel inclined to suggest that people with a vested interest in the industry, no matter how small, should not be moderators at this forum.
It tends to make their job as a moderator unnecessarilly hard and undermines the credibility of their actions.
IOW, if it were me in that situation I'd step down as a moderator and resume ordinary member status.
Cheers,
Double Edged
I think the Trading Post is being under utilized with respect to the group buys. It is quite a fine line, though. I understand a thread begins, a layout matures and the group buy is started, most often in a trading post thread. But, sometimes, the original thread becomes a giant where ideas and concerns seem to bring out the worst in some people, most likely due to the fact that the group buy is lurking in the background.
I hope the group buys don't stop, but I think they could easily be more segmented into their proper place, if everybody tried to do that.
I find it ironic, that when I first started browsing a year or two ago, a couple of guys came off as hard nosed EE types just talking down to others. Other people seemed real easy to get along with and were very free minded, focusing on tuning designs. After all this time here, I have realized, for me, the guys I thought were often talking down had an amazing sense of humor and in light of that were often very sharp in the reply, but technically really help learning a lot. The free spirits have not really helped me understand any more. Maybe the tips are worth doing, but I didn't learn much.
Sometimes initial impressions are not quite true.
Sandy.
I think the Trading Post is being under utilized with respect to the group buys. It is quite a fine line, though. I understand a thread begins, a layout matures and the group buy is started, most often in a trading post thread. But, sometimes, the original thread becomes a giant where ideas and concerns seem to bring out the worst in some people, most likely due to the fact that the group buy is lurking in the background.
I hope the group buys don't stop, but I think they could easily be more segmented into their proper place, if everybody tried to do that.
I find it ironic, that when I first started browsing a year or two ago, a couple of guys came off as hard nosed EE types just talking down to others. Other people seemed real easy to get along with and were very free minded, focusing on tuning designs. After all this time here, I have realized, for me, the guys I thought were often talking down had an amazing sense of humor and in light of that were often very sharp in the reply, but technically really help learning a lot. The free spirits have not really helped me understand any more. Maybe the tips are worth doing, but I didn't learn much.
Sometimes initial impressions are not quite true.
Sandy.
Is the fact politicians are some kind of criminals reason enough to handle the moderation on this board on the same ethical level like politics works? (take a look how freedombringer politicians handle human rights)
You do not bring a reason for doing moderation as it is done at the moment, you tell we should not think how to make it better as reality is allready everthing is ****ed up we have to live with that. great.
You do not bring a reason for doing moderation as it is done at the moment, you tell we should not think how to make it better as reality is allready everthing is ****ed up we have to live with that. great.
I agree 100% with Till. There is an obvious conflict between being a moderator and running buisness here.
Besides that I as well find it dosnt make much sense that all the non profit trade is going on in the trading post forum, but the commercial buisness is all over the board.
Something should be done about this to keep the high standard this board is known for.
Magura
Besides that I as well find it dosnt make much sense that all the non profit trade is going on in the trading post forum, but the commercial buisness is all over the board.
Something should be done about this to keep the high standard this board is known for.
Magura
Hi,
As a matter of fact they shouldn't...They're paid more than enough not to need it anyway.
What's next? Corruption is O.K.? A little theft? A small murder?
Oh well, some politicians are downright massmurderers anyway so why should anyone give a hoot about the forum's mods, right?
Wrong.
Cheers,
As a matter of fact they shouldn't...They're paid more than enough not to need it anyway.
What's next? Corruption is O.K.? A little theft? A small murder?
Oh well, some politicians are downright massmurderers anyway so why should anyone give a hoot about the forum's mods, right?
Wrong.
Cheers,
I am with Till ......... Moderators should not be selling products on the forum, if this is the case they should step down until such time they are not selling such products.
From the above response from Per Anders, I can see I struck a nerve, now he is trying to protect his investment. It is plain to see that he is using the forum to sell his products. Reminds me on how the Mafia got started...........a few people in power started abusing their position........the next thing you know......
Dahen,
Are you saying that you support this or that because politicians do this. it is ok? Please tell us what your position is.
Regards,
Jam
From the above response from Per Anders, I can see I struck a nerve, now he is trying to protect his investment. It is plain to see that he is using the forum to sell his products. Reminds me on how the Mafia got started...........a few people in power started abusing their position........the next thing you know......
Dahen,
Are you saying that you support this or that because politicians do this. it is ok? Please tell us what your position is.
Regards,
Jam
hoho, what about people selling overpriced, so called high end amplifiers, schematic reduced datasheet application setup, using this board to spread the philosophie needed for marketing this products?
Everyone is free to sell snakeoil or overpriced products he does not really understand himshelf. But this does the opposite of qualifiy for beeing moderator at this place.
Dhaen, you try to meet the kit sellers mafia also?
are we going to be the western world copy of diyzone?
commerce and fraud as religion/golden calf?
Everyone is free to sell snakeoil or overpriced products he does not really understand himshelf. But this does the opposite of qualifiy for beeing moderator at this place.
Dhaen, you try to meet the kit sellers mafia also?
are we going to be the western world copy of diyzone?
commerce and fraud as religion/golden calf?
Jam,
My comparison was not a good one. All I meant to say was that people (including moderators) should have a choice in what they do, and not be restrained by their position.
At present I am not personally involved in any commerce (if you can call it that), but truely, if I thought that other moderators or members were involved in anything underhand, or against the interests of the forum or it's members, I would act.
Of the bulk orders and kits I've seen, the work input far exceeds the paltry amount of surplus. It's a labour of love.
While some are complaining about a member making $2 profit servicing the other members' needs, the Mods have been busy keeping out commercial trespassers. There may well be a separate commercial sales area in future, but hopefully we will still be able to enjoy the hard work and input from our members - for our members whether they be mod's or not.
My comparison was not a good one. All I meant to say was that people (including moderators) should have a choice in what they do, and not be restrained by their position.
At present I am not personally involved in any commerce (if you can call it that), but truely, if I thought that other moderators or members were involved in anything underhand, or against the interests of the forum or it's members, I would act.
Of the bulk orders and kits I've seen, the work input far exceeds the paltry amount of surplus. It's a labour of love.
While some are complaining about a member making $2 profit servicing the other members' needs, the Mods have been busy keeping out commercial trespassers. There may well be a separate commercial sales area in future, but hopefully we will still be able to enjoy the hard work and input from our members - for our members whether they be mod's or not.
I don't think commercial interest in audio has anything to do with moderation.
If you think it does, show us how (provide some example that you think prove your point).
To Jam,
While we are greatly enjoying your cartoons, I don't think they are any different than "crowding out useful informative (learning) threads with pages of crap about things like gainclone knobs.....for example".
If you think it does, show us how (provide some example that you think prove your point).
To Jam,
While we are greatly enjoying your cartoons, I don't think they are any different than "crowding out useful informative (learning) threads with pages of crap about things like gainclone knobs.....for example".
fdegrove said:Hi,
What if the question was put slightly differently:
Given a choice, would a mod with no commercial interest in audio be to be preferred over one that has?
Cheers,
Well, Planet 10 has some commercial interests and I don't. Are you going to tell me that you'd rather see me than him as a moderator? I sure wouldn't.
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