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Old 15th January 2004, 01:26 AM   #1
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this is a NYT article from way back and I thought it might be of use for our cable discussion. Enjoy.

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"experts are in agreement that most cables that claim to improve the sound of audio equipment don't. Even cables costing thousands of dollars per foot are often little more than sonic snake oil, experts say. "

"Polk Audio, a well respected manufacturer of loudspeakers in Baltimore, no longer makes cables but declined an invitation to set up a listening test in its laboratories. One reason it gave was that the test could affect relationships with audio stores. "We would be hearing from every retailer in the country," said Paul Dicomo, communications director for Polk Audio. "

"What we do is kind of dirty and stinky," he said. "We say we are starting with a 12 WAG zip cord, and we position a technician behind each speaker to change the cables out."

The technicians hold up fancy-looking cables before they disappear behind the speakers. The critics debate the sound characteristics of each wire.

"They describe huge changes and they say, 'Oh my God, John, tell me you can hear that difference,'" Mr. Dunlavy said. The trick is the technicians never actually change the cables, he said, adding, "It's the placebo effect."

http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/...es/23down.html
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Old 15th January 2004, 01:33 AM   #2
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No homeopathy for you either then, just plain placebos?

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Old 15th January 2004, 01:34 AM   #3
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Who does the NYT consider an "expert"?

I sympathize with the thought, and I think there's a lot of truth here, but there's a lot of nuance missed.
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Old 15th January 2004, 02:25 AM   #4
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Just a bunch of 'amusing anecdotes' without proofs.

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Old 15th January 2004, 02:29 AM   #5
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Hi,

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"experts are in agreement that most cables that claim to improve the sound of audio equipment don't. Even cables costing thousands of dollars per foot are often little more than sonic snake oil, experts say. "
Now, they do phrase it nicely, don't they? They already assume it has to cost you before it can improve things...

IDIOTS.

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"Polk Audio, a well respected manufacturer of loudspeakers in Baltimore, no longer makes cables but declined an invitation to set up a listening test in its laboratories.
POLK Audio hardly makes their own speakers units, let alone cables...Please??????????????

IDIOTS.

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The trick is the technicians never actually change the cables, he said, adding, "It's the placebo effect."
IDIOTS.

They must be sooo proud of themselves....

And NO, I am not going to prove anything to anyone, get a life and enjoy it.

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Old 15th January 2004, 02:35 AM   #6
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Just a bunch of 'amusing anecdotes' without proofs.
Absolutely. I see you're finally starting to recognize them now. Good for you.

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i just dont understand how people can say that cables dont make a difference. i have done SO many swaps on cables and they do make a difference... even when i have forgotten what cables i had in my system, i knew something sounded off, and was adjusting, tweaking and messing with things, until i realized, "oh yeah, i changed the cables last week". then i change them back and its like i remember.

im not even saying i have a golden ear, its sometimes hard for me to tell the difference between sources and amp (of HIGH end), but cables are like night and day to me!
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"And NO, I am not going to prove anything to anyone, get a life and enjoy it."
Don't you mean get some cables that you like and enjoy them !!!.

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i just dont understand how people can say that cables dont make a difference.
Neither do I...How do you prove what you experience ?

Mind you, I design quite a few cables but I'm still at a loss why they make a difference...
Is it due to input/output capacitance?

Is it just because I see through ideal mathemathical models ?

Am I that bright?

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Default Ok Steve, Let's Have Some Truths From You........

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Absolutely. I see you're finally starting to recognize them now. Good for you.

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Steve do you hear differences between cables or do you not hear differences according to cables. ?

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