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I found a place in Allentown, PA called Hand-Made Electronics. They have silver wire in more gauges then I've seen anywhere. Also many other parts.
Gauge Part No. Dia.-Inch/mm Price,1ft Flat 12-028-100 .040" x .005" .75 14 12-028-14 .064/1.6mm 3.95 16 12-028-16 .051/1.3mm 2.75 18 12-028-18 .040/1mm 2.25 20 12-028-20 .032/.8mm 1.95 22 12-028-22 .025/.65mm 1.10 24 12-028-24 .020/.5mm .90 26 12-028-26 .016/.4mm .90 28 12-028-28 .013/.33mm .80 30 12-028-30 .010/.25mm .80 http://www.hndme.com/ |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Central PA, USA
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I recently purchased 220 feet of 30 ga 0.9999 fine silver wire from <a href ="http://mjsa.polygon.net/~10527">Myron Toback</a> for $25 ($0.10 per foot) delivered (web page not functional, phoned in my order) and 200 feet of 28 ga teflon tubing from <a href="http://www.mcmaster.com">McMaster-Carr</a> for $15 ($0.06 per foot) delivered.
I'm not connected to either of these places, just trying to save some money... |
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Yeah, that's true, but can you find 14 awg? 30 AWG is so thin. I decided not to sit and add tubing to a bundle of wire then twist and twist. A few feet of the proper guage may do the trick to wire up a board or make a set of interconnects. Still cheaper than buying silver cables already made up too.
I personally don't think that buying 220 ft of 30 awg silver wire and making bundles to create larger guages is such a great savings in time, unless the application calls for it. |
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Central PA, USA
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True, I didn't price 14ga wire from them, just comparing based on the 30ga I used for interconnects. I don't think I'd want to try to thread that much fine wire through tubing to braid it to a sufficient gauge to use as speaker wire either! I had enough of a hard time making my ICs!
Just wanted to help people be able to shop around... I wasn't looking to cause any ill feelings! |
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Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Columbia, SC
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Actually, I use Teflon insulated, single strand, twisted pair for interconnect. It's about 30 or 34 gauge. Yes, it's delicate, but it sounds simply wonderful and I didn't have to pull it through anything at all; it's just simple twisted pair. I've always meant to try it with a copper braid shield, but not from any real problem with noise or hum...just something I wanted to try. One of the reasons I haven't been too hot to shield it is that I can argue that the extra capacitance from the braid would do more harm than good--especially since I don't need it.
One other thing I've been meaning to try is a shield using the 'guard' circuit discussed in Horowitz and Hill. Kinda intriguing. For silver wire without the hassle, try: http://www.a-msystems.com/physiology...silverwire.asp They sell Teflon coated silver in a number of guages. I've got a note to myself that surfaces on my desk periodically, something to the effect to try http://www.medicalbuyer.com. I'll try to verify the address and whether they actually have Teflon coated silver wire. My feeling has always been that silver is too chemically reactive to leave lying about without a good coating of something. Merely pulling it through a sleeve will insulate it electrically, but will do little to protect it chemically. Silver tarnishes easily (silver sulfide, if memory serves, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was also some silver chloride in there somewhere), and I'm not so sure how silver compounds sound. I'd just as soon let someone else do the Teflon at the factory whilst the wire is clean, so it stays that way. The stuff I've got is still pretty after fifteen years or so; not at all tarnished. For speaker wire...I dunno. The idea of making a braided Litz wire occurred to me years ago, but it did seem like a fair amount of work. But for interconnect, you can't beat the sound for the price. Grey |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: California
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It doesn't do anything differently or better than normal copper wire. True, there is a slight improvement in conductivity, but you can just go to a bigger AWG in copper and that' difference is gone. 12AWG copper wire for 23-25 cents per foot makes much more sense than wasting money for differences that don't exist.
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Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: boston
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I have been using 30 AWG .9999, insulated with nothing but pure wool tubing, as interconects for a while now. No trouble with tarnish yet. Silver tarnish is second only to silver in conductivity so I'm not too worried about it. Silver sounds far better than copper in every application I have tried it in and that has been a lot. DIY makes it easy and cheap to try it in your system. You will be surprised.
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Sunny Tustin, SoCal
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I do agree with you- it does often wind up being a waste of money, as only the best silver is really a great sounding material, and very high quality copper can be had mega-cheap. Most people make due with poor quality silver, as it's easy to find and affordable (relatively)
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Denmark, Viborg
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2 comments for this: 1) read the article about speaker cables written by Nelson Pass ( www.passdiy.com ) 2) Your second statement about good silver being hard to find and expensive is downright wrong. You can get 4 or 5 nines pure (can't remember) silver for less than 1 usd per gram, pretty much anywhere, make that wire, sheet or tube. Magura
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Would anyone know where I can buy OFC hook up wire , teflon insulated if possible.
Thanks, Ashok.
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