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Old 19th March 2013, 04:48 PM   #1
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Some weeks ago, I saw in a local cable TV, a series inspired in the Sherlock Holmes character, but he doesn't use smoking pipe (doesn't smoke at all) doesn't use the classic hat, the companion is a woman in place of Watson, etc etc.

The series is called Elementary. Couldn't the authors do any from new, from zero in place of distort severely the original?

This is my opinion only.
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Old 19th March 2013, 06:11 PM   #2
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As the number of TV channels increases, so the pool of genuine talent to fill them shrinks. The advertising revenue (which funds TV in most countries) has to be spread ever more thinly, so the budget for each programme has to become too small to hire talented people for drama etc. So we get endless game shows, 'reality' shows and repeats.

Then you also have the modern need to be 'inclusive', so any TV has to include all minority groups however unlikely or historically inaccurate this is.

At least here we have the BBC, but that is not what it was. Money is less of a problem, but 'political correctness' is a greater problem.

Having said that, we had an excellent docu-drama last night about Richard Feynman's contribution to the Challenger inquiry.
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Old 19th March 2013, 08:02 PM   #3
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Agree, well said DF96, hence the rise of "reality TV" inane TV wall-paper, welcome to the Matrix, why go anywhere, look at the world or think when you can fill your soul with degenerate soap operas and loopy people acting natural in front of a camera....then talk about it on facebook!!!
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That from a cartoon fan, Beevis and Buthead, Family Guy, Ren and Stimpy, Futurama Sponge Bob, quality TV and Sir David attenborough on Discovery, sublime TV and quite hypnotic plus BBC 4.
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Old 20th March 2013, 01:49 PM   #4
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Well, it is good to know that creativity is near to zero only in Argentina. It appears that around the world, is ocurring something like it.
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As the number of TV channels increases, so the pool of genuine talent to fill them shrinks. The advertising revenue (which funds TV in most countries) has to be spread ever more thinly, so the budget for each program has to become too small to hire talented people for drama etc. So we get endless game shows, 'reality' shows and repeats.

Then you also have the modern need to be 'inclusive', so any TV has to include all minority groups however unlikely or historically inaccurate this is.

At least here we have the BBC, but that is not what it was. Money is less of a problem, but 'political correctness' is a greater problem.

Having said that, we had an excellent docu-drama last night about Richard Feynman's contribution to the Challenger inquiry.
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Agree, well said DF96, hence the rise of "reality TV" inane TV wall-paper, welcome to the Matrix, why go anywhere, look at the world or think when you can fill your soul with degenerate soap operas and loopy people acting natural in front of a camera....then talk about it on facebook!!!
Phew
That from a cartoon fan, Beevis and Buthead, Family Guy, Ren and Stimpy, Futurama Sponge Bob, quality TV and Sir David attenborough on Discovery, sublime TV and quite hypnotic plus BBC 4.
well we can unfortunately blame the viewers for even the demise of the BBC IMO. the fact that they have cancelled 'the hour'... some of the best TV I have seen in many years; because numbers dropped off in the second series (when the second was at least as good as the first) says it all... that was a superb show that had it all IMO, eye candy, high production values, plot plot plot, well developed characters, a setting that drew from real events and politics (organized crime, police and political corruption in the cold war era), murder/intrigue, excellent dry/cutting wit, intelligent dialogue and edge of your seat excitement...

for them to just cut the series on a cliffhanger, when the main character's (the infectious Freddie) life is in the balance after a Mob beating..murder? and a love story are unfulfilled... that made me very angry, it will be replaced with more chewing gum for the eyes... maybe yet another high budget Hoyt-toyty period piece?

or maybe the Americans will buy the rights and turn it into a white bread, stylized, Americanized, homogenized, photogenic version without everything that made it great ... puke

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Old 20th March 2013, 02:35 PM   #6
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I was thinking other example. Some time ago, I went cinema to see the film about the 3 Stooges,,some of the preferred from my infancy. The characters are well matched, but the argument is very poor. Contrarily, the All Gore's Incredible Truth, has a good argument and gives me a great satisfaction. And no copy from another old film.
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yes I much prefer the drug addled Sherlock as well, even the English modern remake, hell even the American movie remakes were passable, but I agree this latest one is atrocious and has nothing to do with the character, aside from being a possible high functioning savant. the new Watson to round out 2 of the preferred minority groups is weak/pathetic and so, so unfortunately....predictable.

flat out mindless psychopathic violence and meaningless sex is kosher, but anything that makes the public think about the reality of the world, every day taboo and bleak humanity (not the parody that is reality TV) is neutered...
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I can understand that there exist new remakes over old books or movies or series, but respecting the global concept of the original. This is not the case of the series Elementary, nor the Three Stooges. I don't imagine Moe (Howard or Horwitz) leaving the group in the original series.
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Old 20th March 2013, 03:26 PM   #9
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A remake of the Barry McKenzie films (true classics) would be interesting in todays creative atmosphere.
There have been some gems over the years, recently SKYs dramatization of three Terry Prachett books and a re-make of Treasure Island show that TV can produce good content.
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agreed, the 'going postal' Prachett mini-series was very well done also
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