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Old 9th March 2013, 09:50 PM   #11
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Gone backwards, perhaps. The 1980-vintage Fulton system with the cheap receiver was head and shoulders better (in the sense of reproducing the tonal and dynamic qualities of acoustic music) than anything I heard at the show.
That's really sad to hear. I feel I've achieved fantastic and very real sounding tone and dynamics of acoustic music with my diy amps. And as you know they could be produced for much less money than the really high priced commercial equipment. But, I am using commercial speakers and I think they sound great. Martin Logan ESL's, their bottom of the line electrostatic's but it's their only esl's with a non-amplified woofer. In addition to saving money I wanted class a amplification even on the bottom end, not class d. Whether that's the best choice or not I think it sounds great. So, my point is I think there is good commercial equipment out there, but too bad it wasn't brought to your audio show. My phono stage is commercial too but it's a small company, Artemis Labs.
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Old 9th March 2013, 09:59 PM   #12
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There was an M-L in at least one of the rooms. I've heard them sound a lot better...

One of the rooms apparently had an air handler right above it so there was a continual 80dB background rumble. I felt really sorry for those guys, the room couldn't have been cheap and their ability to demo was sorely compromised. Speakers seemed promising, but tough to tell.

OK, After Show Party tonight at my place. Much wine, much ale, much pizza. And music, with songs being played all the way through, god help us.
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Old 9th March 2013, 10:05 PM   #13
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Well I worked for a speaker cable company and was planning on going to the show? The person I worked for talked to me about going I was all in but, there was a falling out and I did not attend as planned? Really disapointed I couldn't go and now the A.K. Fest is called off again this year? Well cheers to the people who went. Jm
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OK, After Show Party tonight at my place. Much wine, much ale, much pizza. And music, with songs being played all the way through, god help us.
Wish I could make it, enjoy!
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Old 9th March 2013, 10:12 PM   #15
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SY I was there briefly, hanging out with some old friends. I should have known you would be there! Kinda booked with plans or I would try and stop by. Did you listen to the Volti Vittora room?
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There was an M-L in at least one of the rooms. I've heard them sound a lot better...

One of the rooms apparently had an air handler right above it so there was a continual 80dB background rumble. I felt really sorry for those guys, the room couldn't have been cheap and their ability to demo was sorely compromised. Speakers seemed promising, but tough to tell.
OK, so I think I've been missing part of the point you are making which is that there 'may' have been good equipment there but for a variety of reasons you couldn't tell. Playing the wrong recordings, hacking the right ones, bad acoustic issues, etc. Seems like the exhibitors were not true music lovers and were instead just hired to promote stuff. Or, they didn't think the audience was sofisticated enough to recognize their lack of good presentation. Pity. I would be much more swayed to some manufactures equipment if I was convinced they were only it for the love of listening to music. Heck, I might even buy inferior equipment from them just because they seemed to love listening to music.
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I found it was mostly the rooms that caused the majority of the problems(small and for the most part square) so it what can be expected, in fact the hotel went around and offered some room treatment to the exhibitors, mcintosh decided to opt out and instead used their room correction at first I thought it didn't sound good' but than I sat in the sweet spot... Plus most of them would ask what you wanted to listen to... At least they asked my... Suppose it depended on how busy they were.
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That's absolutely true, and something I tried to acknowledge. But a small room is no excuse for spitty upper midrange (a very common flaw). As well, a lot of the speakers seemed to have polar pattern issues, classic "horns" off-axis at the tweeter cut in, which is certainly exacerbated by having walls nearby. But... many/most of us listen in rooms that are that small. The basement where I was listening to the Fultons wasn't any wider than most of the hotel rooms and only a bit longer. Agreed, from the middle seat, the Mac stuff sounded very good, if I could only get their marketing guy to shut up for a minute.

If one of the attendees can help me out here: I did hear a nice pair of speakers in one of the small rooms, but my early-onset Alzheimers' has caused me to forget what they were called. They were white, line-source-ish looking things, a bit more than a meter high, maybe 18 cm wide, and shallow enough that they could be panels. The guys demo-ing were quite nice and accommodating as well, and I'd love to give them a public thumbs-up if I could only remember who they were...

First time listening to Don Keele's arrays- I would LOVE to try them in a better environment.

Nice time at my house afterward. Some of the older forum tube guys may remember the name Brian Beck, a very sharp designer who hung out here until he found it too addictive. His friend Tom as well, who was one of Bob Fulton's close associates. My boss and his wife (this is the start of a plot from a sit-com), who had spent a couple days wandering the show as well. Lots of music, and even a pizza margherita made with my wife's home-made cheese (no Borat jokes, please).
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I spent Saturday wandering the show and thought that all in all, wasn't too bad a way to burn a crappy spring day. Didn't spent a ton of time listening - I was disappointed with the source material - mostly mediocre sounding CD systems. Probably not the optimal way to flog 70K speaker systems. The first floor vendors helped me put a decent dent in my credit card with some new vinyl. Having a chance to listen to Peter Lederman and his gear (Soundsmith) was worthwhile too.

Hopefully the show was seen as a success and just gets bigger and moves to a better venue.

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Anyone else been there?

I spent yesterday doing a quick tour through and was, frankly, appalled by the sound in most rooms. Really obvious problems for the most part. Much of it MAY have been the demo material, which had an almost generic "high end audio" sound- boomy bottom, cutting upper midrange, hissy sibilants. Best sound I've heard so far was at MBL (but heard them sound much, much better in the past), McIntosh (well and truly spoiled by an interminable marketing presentation), and Janszen (though you wouldn't know it from the awful demo material- I got them to deign to play about 1 minute of one of Scott Wurcer's recordings and found that the speakers were actually pretty good, or at least not obviously bad).

I would say to look for the old, fat, bearded guy and say hi to me, but that describes 80% of the attendees.

After the show yesterday, I visited with a couple of friends- one of them has a set of Fulton Js in his basement driven by an old Harman Kardon receiver. It sounded stunningly better than anything I heard at the show.
Ahh ha , Sy at an audio show .....
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