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Eva 14th December 2012 05:57 PM

Norfolk Police promotes destroying PA equipment in Youtube as a method to stop raves
 
They uploaded this video to youtube a few days ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCAP-kmnkTA

It's really painful to see. The ones whose work is to avoid violence are the ones promoting it. The rave community is shocked.

Forgot to mention: This happened in UK! Fortunately this is a generational war in which the old ones can not win for technical reasons: They are going to die sooner hehe

mattlong8 14th December 2012 06:34 PM

I'm not familiar with British law but in the US that action by the police would be illegal as there was no court ruling. I've been lucky for many year of doing sound for renegade electronic music events and never had any gear confiscated but this type of thing has always been my worst fear... Maybe they were playing particularly bad music ;)
This reminds me of the time when the US had prohibited the consumption of alcohol and the cops went around and smashed stuff. That action dramatically increased criminal activity and thus prohibition didn't last long, lets hope this doesn't either.

Thanks for posting Eva,

-Matt

DF96 14th December 2012 06:40 PM

It says there was a court ruling. In fact, the court requested that the seized equipment be destroyed.

Illegal raves are a problem in the UK. They create a noise nuisance for local residents. The landowner faces the cost of tidying up the mess left behind, and repairing fences and gates. I am pleased to see the police and courts taking robust action. I trust that these comments will not be seen as being more political than your opposing view.

mattlong8 14th December 2012 06:47 PM

court ruling
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DF96 (Post 3284868)
I trust that these comments will not be seen as being more political than your opposing view.

No offense taken.

-Matt

Eva 14th December 2012 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DF96 (Post 3284868)
It says there was a court ruling. In fact, the court requested that the seized equipment be destroyed.

Illegal raves are a problem in the UK. They create a noise nuisance for local residents. The landowner faces the cost of tidying up the mess left behind, and repairing fences and gates. I am pleased to see the police and courts taking robust action. I trust that these comments will not be seen as being more political than your opposing view.

Rave Culture dictates that the place must be cleaned before leaving, mainly to be able to do more parties at the same place, especially in natural locations that nobody else is going to clean later. It's called sustainability. It must not be felt as a destructive activity, because it has no future that way.

There is probably too many people in UK making and attending raves just to get drunk, without really understanding the sense of what they are doing, it must be a place for contemporaneous art expression (music, visuals, dance, decoration, technology!, meeting interesting people, and many other healthy activities not receiving any attention by mass media). It's should be the responsibility of the ones providing the music and other stuff to explain this to everybody.

I've had to clean the mess from other people a few times, but then it was possible to do more parties at the same place, and this gave rise to awareness about how to do it right in other people.

DF96 14th December 2012 07:39 PM

You have to remember that in the UK youth culture necessarily involves excessive drinking and other recreational substances, but not a lot of art. There are not a lot of 'natural' locations in the South-East of England as it is a very crowded region. Almost every bit of land is owned and used by someone.

Eva 14th December 2012 07:57 PM

OK, but a self-destructive youth culture is just the consequence of the violence and lack of love they are receiving from older people in their families and authorities, and violence is always worse in crowded regions because people has less chances to be alone and relaxed when they have to think about what is wrong and what is right. Since all those problems related to young people were created by people older than them, it's not *their* fault, they are just in their way to find a solution. A generational rupture is taking place across the world.

benb 14th December 2012 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattlong8 (Post 3284857)
I'm not familiar with British law but in the US that action by the police would be illegal as there was no court ruling. I've been lucky for many year of doing sound for renegade electronic music events and never had any gear confiscated but this type of thing has always been my worst fear... Maybe they were playing particularly bad music ;)

Maybe the guy controlling the equipment was making it sound especially bad!
Quote:

Originally Posted by DF96 (Post 3284868)
It says there was a court ruling. In fact, the court requested that the seized equipment be destroyed.

The manufacturers will be glad to build and sell more equipment!

DF96 14th December 2012 08:11 PM

Failure to accept responsibility for one's own actions has long been a human characteristic.

tomi 14th December 2012 08:43 PM

Very sad. All this kind of thing ever seems to achieve is to drive a wedge between the authorities and the partygoers.

The worst part of this, of course, is that we in the UK (in common with many other contries) are currently loosing funding to our police services. The police we do have should be concentrating on catching real criminals, not chasing ravers. Siezed goods should be auctioned off to put something back into the system; wanton destruction serves nobody.

I think the YouTube rating tells us everything we need to know about this policy:
13 likes, 879 dislikes


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