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Pano · 11th December 2012, 03:56 PM

It's typical M.S. They alternate decent OSes with rotten ones. Windows 9 should be great.

I'm with you Freax. I was very happy with Win 2K. I only went to XP because a new computer had it. It's basically the same, but with a Fisher-Price interface. It's still easy to get XP drivers, win 2K not so much, or I'd still be there.

freax · 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KatieandDad

Vista was awful but Windows 7 was acceptable. Windows 8 seems to be a real backward step.

Yeah, Windows 3.1 is easier to use than that thing.

I agree completely with 7, only difference I'd make is that its "tolerable".

I'd even argue that Microsoft never really did know what they were doing (even DOS was pretty much ripped off of QDOS, http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_did_Bi...steal_DOS_from ), they got lucky and we needed an OS, now its time to kick them in the butt and send them packing... (If I can)

The only thing stopping me is the fact that GNU/Linux needs to become a bit more compatible with apps (wine has fixed that to a certain degree) and games (Steam should fix that soon/near future) and a good explorer style file manager for GNU/Linux would be nice too, (midnight commander is great but not ideal.)

Any icing on the cake would come in the form of a newer release of Debian which is as easy to use as Potato was, as soon as Steam becomes stable I'm going to give GNU/Linux on the desktop another shot.

Remember BSODs on DOS based systems?
Windows 98 - YouTube

DF96 · 11th December 2012, 04:27 PM

Win NT internally was essentially a rewrite of VAX/VMS, headed by the same guy: Dave Cutler. Microsoft headhunted him from DEC. If you look inside you can see things which are very VMS-like, such as Access Control Lists. The big difference was the quality of the teams working under him.

Until a couple of years ago my main machine ran ME - until one day it scribbled all over itself. Now I run XP, but have no plans to 'upgrade'. My next machine will almost certainly be some flavour of Linux, or even a Mac (if I am feeling rich enough).

KatieandDad · 11th December 2012, 04:30 PM

Bill Gates got out when the going was good. I'm sure there is better than MS out there.

Fynn · 11th December 2012, 04:42 PM

I personally like the windows 7 control panel, because in the upper right corner you can search anything what you would want to do and it takes you there. Same goes to the start menu quicksearch.
Also you can choose classic view in the control panel, just as well as you can disable the themes completely. If you want, you could even load the old windows 98 desktop icons

I have used windows2000 for 7 years, XP only for 2 (had to use xp in late 2008 because drivers/games for 2k were getting the short stick more and more). Upgraded to win7 in 2010 and never regretted it.

freax · 11th December 2012, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DF96

Win NT internally was essentially a rewrite of VAX/VMS, headed by the same guy: Dave Cutler. Microsoft headhunted him from DEC. If you look inside you can see things which are very VMS-like, such as Access Control Lists. The big difference was the quality of the teams working under him.

With everything that I know I didn't know that, nice story:
Windows NT and VMS: The Rest of the Story

Just goes to show you how intelligent the original programmers of this code were.

Quote:

Until a couple of years ago my main machine ran ME - until one day it scribbled all over itself. Now I run XP, but have no plans to 'upgrade'. My next machine will almost certainly be some flavour of Linux, or even a Mac (if I am feeling rich enough).

The macbook air looks nice but I went and bought an ipad 3, couldn't be happier with the battery life which wasn't even in the same league compared to most Android tablets which were for sale out there at the time that I bought the ipad 3.

Don't know about the current state of affairs though with android tablets.

I know that when my heavily jailbroken iphone 3GS eventually dies (on its 2nd battery now) that I won't bother owning another mobile phone though, smartphones are like having big brother in your pocket wherever you go, I'll just use landlines.

Fast Eddie D · 11th December 2012, 04:50 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I'm not too surprised by this.

I installed Windows 7 less than a year ago (had to for some programs) and as soon as I installed it I got "Windows 8" spam all the time. It asks me many times a day if I want 8.

I hate the constant updates. Once I get my PC running fine I don't want to change it. Once you update or install something new you have to update and install a bunch of other crap. I don't want to do it unless I have a good reason. Plus I have a new hard drive with no obselete or unused software on it. I like it like that.

freax · 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fynn

I personally like the windows 7 control panel, because in the upper right corner you can search anything what you would want to do and it takes you there. Same goes to the start menu quicksearch.

Thats what I've never understood, how do you manage to 'explore' through 12 terabytes of data? I cannot possibly remember the name of every single thing so I cannot therefore search for it.

This is the primary reason why I hate Windows 7, every other reason why I hate Windows 7 pales in comparison.

Basically Microsoft kicked the entire power/buisness userbase off of the OS and reinstated a bunch of home users in their place, just so that they could cater to the home users?

This is also in effect a HUGE privacy violation, because how do you know what files are still on your hard drive(s) if you cannot see them and you must search for them inorder to know that they exist!??!?!!!

And the List and Details settings NEVER SAVE properly on Windows 7, infact ANY option that I set is simply reset once I close the explorer window or reboot, what the hell!? The only ones that stick is the classic theme and the thickness of the taskbar, and where my icons are.

The same thing happens with applications settings, I've heard that the fix to this is to run all of your applications under Administrator, but that doesn't work for me, and is a rediculously stupid security flaw. (assuming that a Microsoft OS ever had any security at all.)

Pano · 11th December 2012, 05:00 PM

I edit video on a Mac, latest whatever cat. I don't mind it at all. I'm at home on Windoze XP, a little lost on 7, and feeling pretty good on the Mac.

(years ago I ran the BeOS. Sure wish that had stayed alive and flourished)

Fynn · 11th December 2012, 05:10 PM

I don't know, my windows 7 looks like windows 2k since I started using it and I never had problems with it changing back.
And yea deactivating of UAC was the first thing i did.

The search function is only useful for installed apps which did their entry into the start-menu of course.
But everything else is just normal, you can activate the standard icons on the desktop (my computer, network, my documents, etc).

The search function in the control panel however is really handy. Just search for "resolution" or "ip" or "background" and it will almost directly take you, where you want to be.
It is different from what i was used to, but i clearly see the advantages of not having to click through window after window most of the time.

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11th December 2012, 04:27 PM	#13
DF96 diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2007	Win NT internally was essentially a rewrite of VAX/VMS, headed by the same guy: Dave Cutler. Microsoft headhunted him from DEC. If you look inside you can see things which are very VMS-like, such as Access Control Lists. The big difference was the quality of the teams working under him. Until a couple of years ago my main machine ran ME - until one day it scribbled all over itself. Now I run XP, but have no plans to 'upgrade'. My next machine will almost certainly be some flavour of Linux, or even a Mac (if I am feeling rich enough).

11th December 2012, 04:30 PM	#14
KatieandDad diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK	Bill Gates got out when the going was good. I'm sure there is better than MS out there.

11th December 2012, 04:42 PM	#15
Fynn diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2012	I personally like the windows 7 control panel, because in the upper right corner you can search anything what you would want to do and it takes you there. Same goes to the start menu quicksearch. Also you can choose classic view in the control panel, just as well as you can disable the themes completely. If you want, you could even load the old windows 98 desktop icons I have used windows2000 for 7 years, XP only for 2 (had to use xp in late 2008 because drivers/games for 2k were getting the short stick more and more). Upgraded to win7 in 2010 and never regretted it.

11th December 2012, 04:50 PM	#17
Fast Eddie D diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Skokie Il	Thanks for the heads up. I'm not too surprised by this. I installed Windows 7 less than a year ago (had to for some programs) and as soon as I installed it I got "Windows 8" spam all the time. It asks me many times a day if I want 8. I hate the constant updates. Once I get my PC running fine I don't want to change it. Once you update or install something new you have to update and install a bunch of other crap. I don't want to do it unless I have a good reason. Plus I have a new hard drive with no obselete or unused software on it. I like it like that.

11th December 2012, 05:00 PM	#19
Pano diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Blog Entries: 4	I edit video on a Mac, latest whatever cat. I don't mind it at all. I'm at home on Windoze XP, a little lost on 7, and feeling pretty good on the Mac. (years ago I ran the BeOS. Sure wish that had stayed alive and flourished)

11th December 2012, 05:10 PM	#20
Fynn diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2012	I don't know, my windows 7 looks like windows 2k since I started using it and I never had problems with it changing back. And yea deactivating of UAC was the first thing i did. The search function is only useful for installed apps which did their entry into the start-menu of course. But everything else is just normal, you can activate the standard icons on the desktop (my computer, network, my documents, etc). The search function in the control panel however is really handy. Just search for "resolution" or "ip" or "background" and it will almost directly take you, where you want to be. It is different from what i was used to, but i clearly see the advantages of not having to click through window after window most of the time.