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James Lehman · 07:08 PM

What you are looking for is called "proximity effect".

It works with both omni and cardiod mics. It is the region of air that is so close to the source of the sound that it direct couples the source to the mic diaphragm, because, from the low-end up, most of the sound is within less than a wavelength or even half a wavelength.

Typically, in a quite room, this area of sound will be WAY louder than any sounds from many feet father away.

James.

Destroyer OS. · 29th October 2012, 08:51 PM

Proximity is important. I need it to be a recording of an intimint place that is so small no human could exist in it (between two people close enough to kiss,l aying on a bed).

Charles Darwin · 29th October 2012, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Lehman

What you are looking for is called "proximity effect".

It works with both omni and cardiod mics. It is the region of air that is so close to the source of the sound that it direct couples the source to the mic diaphragm, because, from the low-end up, most of the sound is within less than a wavelength or even half a wavelength.

Typically, in a quite room, this area of sound will be WAY louder than any sounds from many feet father away.

James.

Omni mics do not exhibit the proximity effect, only directional mics do.
It manifests itself as a considerable bass boost.

Generally small diaphragm condensers do not sound particularly nice on voices. They are good for acoustic guitars or drum overheads though.
Large diaphragm ones sound much more intimate IMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximity_effect_(audio)

Destroyer OS. · 30th October 2012, 12:03 AM

I am actually feeling tempted to use two microphones, for two channels because it would aid in the playback experience.

Can anyone comment on a recording device? I'll probably ask for opinions at gear slutz (I would of posted there first, but I didn't know which recording forum was serious vs. all the boners that record stuff poorly these days)

James Lehman · 30th October 2012, 12:19 AM

Most Lavalier microphones (made for voice) are electret omni capsules.

Charles Darwin · 30th October 2012, 12:21 AM

Something like this should do the trick:
Firewire audio recording interface 6 IN 6 OUT | Echo Digital Audio

Charles Darwin · 30th October 2012, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Lehman

Most Lavalier microphones (made for voice) are electret omni capsules.

So they are, same as talkback mics etc. None of them sound particularly intimate though.
Which isn't a problem because they are not meant to.

If you hear a very intimate sounding recorded voice like acoustic jazz and such like you can pretty much guarantee that the mic in question was a large-diaphragm condenser and probably half of them were Neumanns.

James Lehman · 30th October 2012, 07:09 AM

He's not looking for any kind of typical vocal mic here.

No one is singing!

He's looking for a special effect.

James.

pinkmouse · 30th October 2012, 08:15 AM

Personally, I'd throw the kitchen sink at it. Couple of headset/lavaliers , couple of large format condensers close mic-ing, couple more further away catching room ambience, one or two boundary mics dotted around and maybe even SY's shotgun mics as well. Then you can sort it out in the mix.

Destroyer OS. · 31st October 2012, 04:08 AM

Hm I think one mic between them, and one inbetween their chests will be perfect.

That firewire thing looks great. Too bad I need an Apple to use it! Right now I run Linux and the only thing worth using for it is $1600. I've heard good things about the Apogee Duet as well. They all appear to have the same basic specs but... I want good sound not specs!

What about this mic?

Rode NT2A Variable Pattern Microphone at zZounds

Either I have to have circle 8 or two mics. Circle 8 should work great because when one person is talking I can pan it harder to one side, giving an impression of inbetween; when they both speak it'll be equal on eachside of the affect of that will be enhanced feeling over overwhelming.

I got to post over at GearSlutz perhaps. My friend recommended looking at Tweakheadz as well. What I don't know how to do yet is seperate out the people that about numbers, specs, and the people that are about actual quality sound.

I'm so excited! if I get the $650 sE mic I'll have to rent out recording services to my friends. Recording well ain't cheap! But I know a few tricks about the non-gear side for good sound (I have great ears for stuff, and have done a little professional studio time, real little, but conceptually I get it).

29th October 2012, 06:41 PM	#11
James Lehman diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Akron, Ohio USA	What you are looking for is called "proximity effect". It works with both omni and cardiod mics. It is the region of air that is so close to the source of the sound that it direct couples the source to the mic diaphragm, because, from the low-end up, most of the sound is within less than a wavelength or even half a wavelength. Typically, in a quite room, this area of sound will be WAY louder than any sounds from many feet father away. James. Last edited by James Lehman; 29th October 2012 at 07:08 PM.

30th October 2012, 08:15 AM	#19
pinkmouse diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Chatham, England	Personally, I'd throw the kitchen sink at it. Couple of headset/lavaliers , couple of large format condensers close mic-ing, couple more further away catching room ambience, one or two boundary mics dotted around and maybe even SY's shotgun mics as well. Then you can sort it out in the mix. __________________ Al I conceive of nothing, in religion, science or philosophy, that is more than the proper thing to wear, for a while. Charles Fort

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29th October 2012, 08:51 PM	#12
Destroyer OS. diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2005	Proximity is important. I need it to be a recording of an intimint place that is so small no human could exist in it (between two people close enough to kiss,l aying on a bed).

30th October 2012, 12:03 AM	#14
Destroyer OS. diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2005	I am actually feeling tempted to use two microphones, for two channels because it would aid in the playback experience. Can anyone comment on a recording device? I'll probably ask for opinions at gear slutz (I would of posted there first, but I didn't know which recording forum was serious vs. all the boners that record stuff poorly these days)

30th October 2012, 12:19 AM	#15
James Lehman diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Akron, Ohio USA	Most Lavalier microphones (made for voice) are electret omni capsules.

30th October 2012, 12:21 AM	#16
Charles Darwin diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Birmingham, UK	Something like this should do the trick: Firewire audio recording interface 6 IN 6 OUT \| Echo Digital Audio

30th October 2012, 07:09 AM	#18
James Lehman diyAudio Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Akron, Ohio USA	He's not looking for any kind of typical vocal mic here. No one is singing! He's looking for a special effect. James.

31st October 2012, 04:08 AM	#20
Destroyer OS. diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2005	Hm I think one mic between them, and one inbetween their chests will be perfect. That firewire thing looks great. Too bad I need an Apple to use it! Right now I run Linux and the only thing worth using for it is $1600. I've heard good things about the Apogee Duet as well. They all appear to have the same basic specs but... I want good sound not specs! What about this mic? Rode NT2A Variable Pattern Microphone at zZounds Either I have to have circle 8 or two mics. Circle 8 should work great because when one person is talking I can pan it harder to one side, giving an impression of inbetween; when they both speak it'll be equal on eachside of the affect of that will be enhanced feeling over overwhelming. I got to post over at GearSlutz perhaps. My friend recommended looking at Tweakheadz as well. What I don't know how to do yet is seperate out the people that about numbers, specs, and the people that are about actual quality sound. I'm so excited! if I get the $650 sE mic I'll have to rent out recording services to my friends. Recording well ain't cheap! But I know a few tricks about the non-gear side for good sound (I have great ears for stuff, and have done a little professional studio time, real little, but conceptually I get it).