so much for breadboarding...

dorkus · 8th October 2003, 02:59 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/09/...ter/index.html

SY · 8th October 2003, 04:46 PM

Oh, great. Then we can have endless debates over the musicality of polythiophene versus polypyrrole, with a camp of fierce advocates for N-substituted polyanilines claiming that all else is garbage.

purplepeople · 8th October 2003, 05:33 PM

No, you've got it all wrong... :)

There will be a debate about whether a vacuum tube made this way is more accurate vs more organic sounding tubes made the old-fashioned way.

Then there will be the people who use it to make all the discrete components and PCB separately and then solder it all together by hand. The claim will be that it cannot reproduce the sweetness of sound from components that have been heated to exactly 250'C.

Finally, there will be some disagreement on whether CDs and LPs are being reproduced accurately enough by this technology. Since the limit of the machine is not atoms but crystal lattices, the debate will be mostly about it's atomic resolution and how much is good enough.

:)ensen.

dorkus · 8th October 2003, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SY
Oh, great. Then we can have endless debates over the musicality of polythiophene versus polypyrrole, with a camp of fierce advocates for N-substituted polyanilines claiming that all else is garbage.

funny, i was just thinking (quite seriously) about how polymer-based boards would "sound"......

SY · 8th October 2003, 09:59 PM

If you lay it out and print it properly, it'll probably sound just fine. The limitation is conductivity- conductive polymers which are easily processable have moderately low conductivity compared to metals (like on the order of 1-100 mhos/cm). CPs with high conductivity (e.g., oriented highly-crystalline polyacetylene) are not particularly stable or processable. And solderability is a difficult issue.

Here's my first crack at the problem:

Polymer Electronic Components

And one other cool thing- the charge carriers in many conducting polymers are solitons and polarons.

purplepeople · 8th October 2003, 11:35 PM

Sorry, I didn't know you were really serious...

Does that machine violate your patent, particularly in Claim 9 WRT the process of making various components?

:)ensen.

8th October 2003, 02:59 PM	#1
dorkus diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: NYC	so much for breadboarding... http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/09/...ter/index.html

8th October 2003, 04:46 PM	#2
SY diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Austin, TX Blog Entries: 1	Oh, great. Then we can have endless debates over the musicality of polythiophene versus polypyrrole, with a camp of fierce advocates for N-substituted polyanilines claiming that all else is garbage. __________________ “Listening to records is like ****ing a picture of Brigitte Bardot.” - Sergiu Celibidache

8th October 2003, 05:33 PM	#3
purplepeople diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London, Ontario, Canada	No, you've got it all wrong... :) There will be a debate about whether a vacuum tube made this way is more accurate vs more organic sounding tubes made the old-fashioned way. Then there will be the people who use it to make all the discrete components and PCB separately and then solder it all together by hand. The claim will be that it cannot reproduce the sweetness of sound from components that have been heated to exactly 250'C. Finally, there will be some disagreement on whether CDs and LPs are being reproduced accurately enough by this technology. Since the limit of the machine is not atoms but crystal lattices, the debate will be mostly about it's atomic resolution and how much is good enough. :)ensen. __________________ Those who claim to be making history are often the same ones repeating it.

8th October 2003, 09:59 PM	#5
SY diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Austin, TX Blog Entries: 1	If you lay it out and print it properly, it'll probably sound just fine. The limitation is conductivity- conductive polymers which are easily processable have moderately low conductivity compared to metals (like on the order of 1-100 mhos/cm). CPs with high conductivity (e.g., oriented highly-crystalline polyacetylene) are not particularly stable or processable. And solderability is a difficult issue. Here's my first crack at the problem: Polymer Electronic Components And one other cool thing- the charge carriers in many conducting polymers are solitons and polarons. __________________ “Listening to records is like ****ing a picture of Brigitte Bardot.” - Sergiu Celibidache

8th October 2003, 11:35 PM	#6
purplepeople diyAudio Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London, Ontario, Canada	Sorry, I didn't know you were really serious... Does that machine violate your patent, particularly in Claim 9 WRT the process of making various components? :)ensen. __________________ Those who claim to be making history are often the same ones repeating it.


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