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Old 22nd January 2002, 07:34 AM   #11
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Jason, I see you liked Grey's title for you of Uber-Moderator
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Old 22nd January 2002, 07:41 AM   #12
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Nah, it's just joke of the moment, really. :)
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Old 22nd January 2002, 07:55 AM   #13
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Nah, it's just joke of the moment, really.
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Old 22nd January 2002, 09:47 AM   #14
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Greetings

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You guys think you haven't done a very good job. right ??.

Tell us one other forum which has the calibre of elders we have here. Nowhere is the correct answer. This place has attracted a special group of elders. I think the term is a good one. Elders people who have a gift for imparting knowledge in an unselfish manner. people who try to keep things rolling without being difficult. Contrast this place with some other forums where there are no elders. Few rules little discipline and not a nice place to be. People, ordinary guys learn nothing of value at those places. They leave. Some come here I would say. Its a different atmosphere here you elder guys. You have to take in the plain facts that you guys are one of the reasons this place is so popular.

Keep the term elder. It means something. Just consider a newbie coming on here scared witless probably asks a newbie question and gets some good advice from a range of people. Some also relatively new, some seasoned hands and maybe a word of advice from guess who, an elder. How do you think that young guy feels. An unwanted person, someone who gets troden on right from the start or a person who feels welcome. Wants to come back.

Actually there is another thing. It's the humour. Take a look at this

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We can arrange that if you would like.
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I cracked up on that one.

You don't get that on other forums. You get insults arguments bad languages cavalier attitudes but very little humour. There is humour here. You only get humour when the place is running right.

You elder guys are doing a darn good job and it sets the whole tone.
You too Jason. You will have to be an elder elder.
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Old 22nd January 2002, 05:15 PM   #15
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Jason the Uber-Elder?
Nah, I like Uber-Moderator better.
The show of support is gratifying. I must say that it helps dissipate the sour taste left in my mouth after recent events.
Kudos to Jason, incidentally, don't believe that I got that said earlier.
Remp's point about the term Elder being reassuring to new critters is a good one. It tends to lessen the odds that you're going to end up with the blind leading the blind. But it's not a guarantee, unfortunately. Someone can get on, chat up a storm, and become an Elder without really knowing anything more than resistor color codes, if that much. The sad thing is that there's no way to test knowledge for the pecularities inherent in audio. I know that there are a number of questions that I'd flunk on such a test:
How much capacitance does this circuit need?
A) 1000uF B) 10000uF C) 100000uF
My response:
How much can you afford? Oh, and by the way, can we discuss film caps vs. electrolytics while we're at it?
Their response:
Somebody show this clown the door!
I don't have an answer for this problem. Just wanted to note it in passing.

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Old 23rd January 2002, 01:34 AM   #16
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Jason, Grey,









I cannot help fully agreeing with what Richard is writing (one tiny exception see mentioned below). And I want to add that, being a newbie on this forum (in lurking mode for some weeks) , I found here an athmosphere of mutual respect among the members and particularly between the Elders and the not-yet-so knowledgeable guys. I find that great.









I think it is this mutual respect missing on other forums. And I could name a great big one where some of the moderators are to be called in the same sentence as the worst flamers. Atleast as opinionatedness and lack of honesty is concerned. I am not guessing, I have the proof in my inbox.









A German proverb hitting the target exactly: a fish stinks always from the head.




You are the heads fo this forum and this forum does not stink at all.




So , Jason and Grey, you are doing a marvelous job.






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Actually there is another thing. It's the humour. Take a look at this ...




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I cracked up on that one.











You don't get that on other forums. You get insults arguments bad languages cavalier attitudes but very little humour. There is humour here. You only get humour when the place is running right.
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Richard, I cannot fully agree here. I have observed humour on other forums and I was sometimes ROTFLMAO.




But I agree the humor can turn vitriolic very fast in atmospheres without mutual respect as a common denominator.









On the Joenet I had some puns with my buddy Jeremy Epstein who made some nasty remarks about me and Bavarians in general and I menaced him to be put on a pole over an open fire by Bavarians and turned like an oxen and bastered with bavarian beer all the time and I am sitting in a little hut besides selling tickets ...




and his remark: "only if I get shares on the ticket sales" . This was fun and anyone knew it. Because between Jeremy and me the is mutual respect and this could be sensed (and the menace was so insanely exaggerated). But I observed awful flames on the Joenet and also being a web newbie then, was entangled in one before I realized it.









There is another forum I had a lot of fun for a while. Then the already rude manners turned more rude and disgustingly so. I spoke up against it (as there is few to nothing moderation and no rules) and had a nice success joining several members my complaints about the manners getting out of control. I thought it was a success, I thought. 2 days later one awful piece of flame started out of a well-meant hint. Without acceleration phase, 100% speed at once. And yet there was a lot of humour up to my last day there (I decided to disappear silently.)









I disgress, on this forum I like the humour AND the mutual respect.
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Old 23rd January 2002, 01:58 AM   #17
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Joe brought up a point earlier that I didn't cover. He mentioned the idea of contacting someone privately if something is amiss. There are plusses and minuses to this. One thing that I'd like to do is keep as much of my traffic out in the open as possible when dealing with a problem. That way there are 'witnesses' if things go awry. Another benefit is that others may also learn from the exchange. On the other hand, there is the face-saving aspect for the miscreant if it's all behind the scenes. It's hard to know what will and will not work in a particular instance.
I think that there were a sufficient number of instances in this recent dust-up where the member involved was publicly thumbing his nose at those (several members, not just me) who were suggesting that he tone it down. Though the posts are gone now, I think enough people remember them that I could make a case that some people are simply determined that they are going to act the way they want, period. What anyone else might think is of no consequence to them, whatsoever.
Other times and circumstances might warrant a different approach, however. I'd rather leave all options open, depending on how the situation is progressing.

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Old 23rd January 2002, 09:57 PM   #18
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Hello Grey,





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... One thing that I'd like to do is keep as much of my traffic out in the open as possible when dealing with a problem. That way there are 'witnesses' if things go awry. Another benefit is that others may also learn from the exchange.








I vote for that!







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On the other hand, there is the face-saving aspect for the miscreant if it's all behind the scenes.












Why save the miscreants face? He could have behaved well. See subject line, remember that book? For those not acquainted with the book, it is a SF novel describing a fictional human society in the future and besides that, it is all about moral philosophy. I think tha passage on th public floggings quite fits to the situation of people misbehaving and not getting away with it cold.







So public mentioning misbehaviour and calling the knight and the horse by the name publicly could serve well to the very effects the public flogging does in the novel.







Just wanted to throw in some stuff for thinking
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Old 23rd January 2002, 10:26 PM   #19
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Hmm, public flogging. It would work well if it wasn't verbal flogging I am sure. Even more so if it wasn't a virtually anonymous person being Asciiaclly flogging!

Ok, backflip on the editable status thing. I like remp's comments. Elders it is, then.

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