Electronic Design Mag discovers High End Audio!

[Wavebourn]

It is definitely visual language: as if sounds come from far away. Explanation is simple: an air when transfers sounds adds distortions of low order, and longer it travels, higher are distortions. The same with loudness. But with increased distance higher frequencies decay more than with increased loudness.

[a.wayne]

Sounds like measurement vs sound ...... laid back would mean to me a "lack " of life , soft, pleasant but dead ....

[Wavebourn]

Originally Posted by a.wayne

Sounds like measurement vs sound ...... laid back would mean to me a "lack " of life , soft, pleasant but dead ....

Yes, like a sick person laying back on a bed in hospital. That's why it is hard to understand something from audiophile terminology. The same words may have different meaning.

[ontoaba]

Originally Posted by Wavebourn

Explanation is simple: an air when transfers sounds adds distortions of low order, and longer it travels, higher are distortions. The same with loudness. But with increased distance higher frequencies decay more than with increased loudness.

That was the nature that naturalize the sounds.
Unpleasant sounds will be more pleasant from distance. Actually it is the loudspeaker that distort the nature, not the nature distort the sounds.

[Speedskater]

From J.Gordon Holt's 1990 book "The Audio Glossary"

tube sound
That combination of audible qualities characteristic of devices which use tubes for amplification. These qualities include: Richness and warmth, midbass and lower-midrange exaggeration, deficiency of deep bass, outstanding rendition of depth, forward and bright upper mid-range, softly sweet extreme- high end.

[CopperTop]

Originally Posted by Speedskater

From J.Gordon Holt's 1990 book "The Audio Glossary"

tube sound
That combination of audible qualities characteristic of devices which use tubes for amplification. These qualities include: Richness and warmth, midbass and lower-midrange exaggeration, deficiency of deep bass, outstanding rendition of depth, forward and bright upper mid-range, softly sweet extreme- high end.

Ah. SY said earlier:

It's interesting that J. Gordon Holt, who was one of the early and most influential proponents of "tube sound," described it as bright and forward, not soft and warm.

Is that what is known as selective quotation?

[a.wayne]

Originally Posted by Speedskater

From J.Gordon Holt's 1990 book "The Audio Glossary"

tube sound
That combination of audible qualities characteristic of devices which use tubes for amplification. These qualities include: Richness and warmth, midbass and lower-midrange exaggeration, deficiency of deep bass, outstanding rendition of depth, forward and bright upper mid-range, softly sweet extreme- high end.

Sounds about right ... Spot on JGH .................

[bear]

Originally Posted by SY

But not pentode (bear's contention), that was my point. And again, you have to believe that JGH never listened to a triode amp, which is somewhat north of ridiculous.

SY, it IS a PENTODE or it is a BEAM TETRODE.

I am saying that the mere presence of the screen grid changes the way it sounds.

And, give me a list of commercially available DHT (or even 6B4) amps that would have been reviewed by Mr. Holt? I find it hard to believe that there were any! The game in the 60s was mo powah, mo powah and 20cycles to 20kc, no matter how you had to get it. Which was always substantial global loop feedback, with a few minor exceptions...

Admittedly a 60 or 75watt amp was considered "big" but there were no DHT PP amps and certainly no SE DHT amps as commercial offerings. There were some SE amps, but using small 7 or 9 pin tubes in things like console radios, and maybe a Grundig?

I think ur walkin' on thin ice with this one...

_-_-bear

PS. and no, I have personally never read a negative review in Stereo Review, or any other "glossy" USA hifi magazine...

[bear]

Anyhow the subject of this thread is not J Gordon Holt, but the assertions and statements in the Electronic Design article cited in post #1.

Maybe we can discuss what that author had to say in specific??

_-_-bear

[a.wayne]

Originally Posted by bear

PS. and no, I have personally never read a negative review in Stereo Review, or any other "glossy" USA hifi magazine...

Stereophile used to write negative reviews... quite a bit actually...