Should a designer/builder use both measurements and listening when building? - Page 2

ebattleon · 28th June 2011, 03:09 PM

If you did not have some form of metrics how could reproduce you results.

wintermute · 28th June 2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DF96

I'm pleased to see that our new moderator has just realised why we are pulling his leg. I was a bit concerned before his edit to post #6 - surely moderators have to have a HUGE sense of humour in order to cope with us lot?

sy's post suddenly made sense and was funny

really need more sleep!

10 yes and 0 no. good sign

Tony.

c2cthomas · 28th June 2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SY

I wouldn't worry about Tony- we've been toughening his ego by repeated beatings.

:head bash:

dave_gerecke · 28th June 2011, 10:43 PM

"If it measures good and sounds bad, -- it is bad. If it sounds good and measures bad, -- you've measured the wrong thing."
-Daniel R. von Recklinghausen
former Chief Research Engineer H.H. Scott
Peace,

Dave Gerecke

tinitus · 29th June 2011, 02:34 AM

nothing to loose by voting yes

and I can't imagine anyone voting no

even if I use listening only, I cannot recommend it

anyway, most of my knowledge and experience is based on other peoples measurements
would have been totally impossible without

sreten · 29th June 2011, 03:10 AM

Hi, it is such a stupid question, answering it gives credibility it does not deserve, rgds, sreten.

A better question might be can it be done using ears only, not should it be. Not easily IMO.

tinitus · 29th June 2011, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sreten

A better question might be can it be done using ears only, not should it be. Not easily IMO.

would also be a 'daft' question
I mean, it would have very little 'reason'

but you might better ask, 'using measurements only

that might be a little less predetermined
but again, I think it would be strange to design a speaker without listening to it

Pano · 29th June 2011, 03:42 AM

I vote no!

With all the good simulation software available these day (spice, and others) why would anyone need to measure or listen? Just sim it and you're ready to go! What could be easier?

This is the 21st century, isn't it? Let's get on with it.

Wavebourn · 29th June 2011, 03:44 AM

Ok, we answered the question. What's next? Should we use cows to test audio equipment, huh?

wintermute · 29th June 2011, 03:45 AM

Playing the devils advocate are we pano?

either that or someone has hacked your account!!

Tony.

View Poll Results: Use both measurements *and* listening?
Yes	20	95.24%
No	1	4.76%
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29th June 2011, 03:10 AM	#16
sreten diyAudio Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brighton UK	Hi, it is such a stupid question, answering it gives credibility it does not deserve, rgds, sreten. A better question might be can it be done using ears only, not should it be. Not easily IMO. __________________ There is nothing so practical as a really good theory - Ludwig Boltzmann When your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail - Abraham Maslow

29th June 2011, 03:42 AM	#18
Pano diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: North Carolina Blog Entries: 4	I vote no! With all the good simulation software available these day (spice, and others) why would anyone need to measure or listen? Just sim it and you're ready to go! What could be easier? This is the 21st century, isn't it? Let's get on with it. __________________ Take the Speaker Voltage Test!

29th June 2011, 03:44 AM	#19
Wavebourn diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pleasant Hill, CA	Ok, we answered the question. What's next? Should we use cows to test audio equipment, huh? __________________ If I disappear suddenly, that means I finally created a time machine and pushed wrong button that brought me to Stalin's Russia. In any experiment any result is the result. Even if it is negative.

29th June 2011, 03:45 AM	#20
wintermute just another diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sydney Blog Entries: 22	Playing the devils advocate are we pano? either that or someone has hacked your account!! Tony. __________________ Any intelligence I may appear to have is purely artificial! Some of my photos


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28th June 2011, 03:09 PM	#11
ebattleon diyAudio Member Join Date: Jun 2011	If you did not have some form of metrics how could reproduce you results.

28th June 2011, 10:43 PM	#14
dave_gerecke diyAudio Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Vermont	"If it measures good and sounds bad, -- it is bad. If it sounds good and measures bad, -- you've measured the wrong thing." -Daniel R. von Recklinghausen former Chief Research Engineer H.H. Scott Peace, Dave Gerecke

29th June 2011, 02:34 AM	#15
tinitus diyAudio Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005	nothing to loose by voting yes and I can't imagine anyone voting no even if I use listening only, I cannot recommend it anyway, most of my knowledge and experience is based on other peoples measurements would have been totally impossible without

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