Should a designer/builder use both measurements and listening when building?

[woodturner-fran]

There it is: in your opinion, should you use both measurements and listening when designing and building audio equipment? Yes or No....

 

[wintermute]

Yes. Fran I don't think the pole worked...

Tony.

 

[woodturner-fran]

Working now - I'm slow cos I'm on a phone here...

 

[SY]

Yes. Fran I don't think the pole worked...

Tony.

How about the zero?

 

[DF96]

He might have been referring to the pole carrying his telephone wire.

I'm not certain this is a sensible question. Almost everyone, apart from the loony fringe on both sides, will vote yes but this does not mean that they all agree. So in a few days time we can say that 97% (or whatever) believe that both listening and measuring are important so this is the end of the debate? I have decided not to vote.

 

[wintermute]

Perhaps I should remove my comment There was *no* pole when I made it! and we are off topic in the first four responses Fran any problem with deleting these four posts? edit: man I'm slow tonight.... need to go to bed... repeat 50 times poll poll poll....

Tony.

 

[marce]

I dont see how one could design anything if you didn't get some metrics for future reference. For communication equipement various modified rhyme tests are done to determine audiobility.

 

[SY]

He might have been referring to the pole carrying his telephone wire.

Wladislaw?

 

[DF96]

I don't know. Telegraph poles here in the UK don't carry names (Polish or otherwise).

I'm pleased to see that our new moderator has just realised why we are pulling his leg. I was a bit concerned before his edit to post #6 - surely moderators have to have a HUGE sense of humour in order to cope with us lot?

 

[SY]

I wouldn't worry about Tony- we've been toughening his ego by repeated beatings.

 

[ebattleon]

If you did not have some form of metrics how could reproduce you results.

 

[wintermute]

I'm pleased to see that our new moderator has just realised why we are pulling his leg. I was a bit concerned before his edit to post #6 - surely moderators have to have a HUGE sense of humour in order to cope with us lot?

sy's post suddenly made sense and was funny really need more sleep!

10 yes and 0 no. good sign

Tony.

 

[c2cthomas]

I wouldn't worry about Tony- we've been toughening his ego by repeated beatings.

 

[dave_gerecke]

"If it measures good and sounds bad, -- it is bad. If it sounds good and measures bad, -- you've measured the wrong thing."
-Daniel R. von Recklinghausen
former Chief Research Engineer H.H. Scott
Peace,

Dave Gerecke

 

[tinitus]

nothing to loose by voting yes
and I can't imagine anyone voting no
even if I use listening only, I cannot recommend it

anyway, most of my knowledge and experience is based on other peoples measurements
would have been totally impossible without

 

[sreten]

Hi, it is such a stupid question, answering it gives credibility it does not deserve, rgds, sreten.

A better question might be can it be done using ears only, not should it be. Not easily IMO.

 

[tinitus]

A better question might be can it be done using ears only, not should it be. Not easily IMO.

would also be a 'daft' question
I mean, it would have very little 'reason'

but you might better ask, 'using measurements only

that might be a little less predetermined
but again, I think it would be strange to design a speaker without listening to it

 

[Pano]

I vote no!

With all the good simulation software available these day (spice, and others) why would anyone need to measure or listen? Just sim it and you're ready to go! What could be easier?

This is the 21st century, isn't it? Let's get on with it.

 

[Wavebourn]

Ok, we answered the question. What's next? Should we use cows to test audio equipment, huh?

 

[wintermute]

Playing the devils advocate are we pano? either that or someone has hacked your account!!

Tony.