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Old 14th August 2003, 10:14 AM   #21
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Hi Drembo,

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Can anyone give me an educated guess what a system like this would cost if I walked in to a store and bought similar components at retail price
Around $ 5000. Is what a similar amp would cost in the store.

Example : Border Patrol SE300B stereo single-ended valve amplifier costs Euro4.575,00 around these parts of the woods.

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Old 14th August 2003, 10:22 AM   #22
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In fact it could be argued that "male hobbies" in general are a distraction from that fundamental male urge to chase as many women as possible.
John,

You cut right to the chase with that remark...just recently I had a lull in my DIY activities and I found that my mind inadvertently wondered to one of Jessica's more attrative girlfriends.

So ofcourse I immediatly threw my whole being into a DIY project...

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Old 15th August 2003, 12:29 AM   #23
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Drembo,

Their ears are just as golden as ours, but don't normal focus on the things we don't want them to notice. You just have to change the reasons she wants to be listening to your system.

Tell her you're building the front end to a home theatre that is guaranteed to make all her friends start crying before the beginning of any one of the collection of romantic comedies you are going to buy for her. Then set aside some money to buy all these romantic comedies and don't forget to build the rest of the surround system. Then invite all her friends over so she can show you off as the hunky provider of in-house romance. Make enough real hot chocolate for the occasion.

Then top it off by buying the sultriest CDs you can get and just lounge around with her and a (very) good bottle of wine on some random rainy weekend. Make sure to play the same stuff on a cheap boom box in the kitchen the sometime during the week before.

And if that doesn't work, offer to buy her, as compensation, the equivalent in shoes, lingerie, dinner dates, etc. Promise to talk nice to her weird family members.

And if that doesn't work, get a lawyer, because your addiction will get the better of you...

:)ensen.

PS: Although I'm currently single, when my GF left me (for other reasons of course) she took all the furniture, predictably. Of course, I kept all, and I do mean *all* the electronics.
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Old 15th August 2003, 12:49 AM   #24
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Re-read purplepeople's message. There is not an error to be found.

My girlfriend tolerates my audio hobbies and says she 'sometimes' hears a difference. Mix her-time with hobby-time and hobby-money with gift-money to some reasonable extent and all is well.

If you have a good hi end store somewhere locally, go in with a 'favorite' (hers not yours) disc or movie and sit for an hour or two. My local store will let you hang out as long as you want, unless there's a better client wanting for the room. Anyway, enjoy it until she has a big smile, then ask the guy 'how much to get exactly this' and look longingly into her eyes with a knowing face that you just can't have it. On the way home, hypothesize that its not 'that' much money and see her reaction. A day later, mention that some cyber-dudes on DIYAudio said that the system you heard was good, but not that good and you could build your own better, cheaper and smarter than that brand. At that point, you're as close to a go-ahead as you'll ever be.

Just my method. . . uhhhhhh. . . I mean opinion.

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Old 15th August 2003, 03:26 AM   #25
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Arrow WAF: or how cheap is DIY audio really

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If it's not, providing the spending on the hobby is not excessive,..........
Oh well...every day I struggle to figure what is.... not excessive..........quite difficult

Anyway, by all means one should never give HER the opportunity to judge what is or is not ......excessive.......because in HER view the expense for more than 2 resistors is......excessive (same thing what many of us think about having more than 1 lipstick).

So if at all, You talk about Your stuff and You can`t avoid talking about costs the best therefore is try to avoid naming ANY numbers...... somehow.

Use words like........ great deal, very cheap, special offer, absolute bargain, almost nothing, free...or... if I (`d) only keep half of these and sell the rest again I even make some profit..........

If it gets inevitably and Your`re forced to say something (still) more precise............ SWINDLE what You can

That`s the best way to keep You both happy!
(vice versa of course the same is true - or would You really prefer to know that the latest face-cream bargain was ONLY $56?)

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Old 15th August 2003, 03:48 AM   #26
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Default Re: WAF: or how cheap is DIY audio really

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Oh well...every day I struggle to figure what is.... not excessive..........quite difficult
Easy. Are all the bills being paid?

I've never really asked or questioned what my SO's have paid for things like shoes or make up or whatever, providing the bills are paid. If it makes them happy.....

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That`s the best way to keep You both happy!
That's too much game playing for me now. Life is too short to waste much energy on that sort of bulls**t.

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Old 15th August 2003, 04:26 AM   #27
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Order at least one free sample to be used in your project. Then, no matter how much it costs, keep pointing out that something in there was free, free is a very powerful word.

But don't worry, you are saving money, compared to brand names. Really, at first DIY is very economical, it's just when you build amp after amp after speaker after speaker that it becomes more expensive... Don't worry, your rime will come....
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Old 15th August 2003, 12:41 PM   #28
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JoeBob, that's a variant of one of my wife's favorite tactics.

SY: What did that cost?

Mrs. Y: It was 20% off.

SY: 20% off what?

Mrs. Y: 20% off the price.

SY: And that price would be...?

Mrs. Y: 20% more than I had to pay.
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Old 15th August 2003, 12:45 PM   #29
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Easy. Are all the bills being paid?
Unfortunately, for most of our WAF - it`s not that easy - I fear.

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That's too much game playing for me now. Life is too short to waste much energy on that sort of bulls**t.
Yes, bulls**t it is - but no energy wasted! That`s exactly what my point was about.
In fact I found out that in practise it`s really the least abrasive way between men and women in this matter so why artificially complicating things with the truth in this case.
It`s simply the KISS principle for WAF & DIY-audio.

And guys.....don`t tell me that some cheating is a bad thing.
If You are so true You`d had to admit that this entire hobby is ..... excessive (at least in many, many cases of the guys hanging around here) what concerns time, money, space and a few other things.....and You`d have a hard time if You had to justify this seriously.

Therefore I do not even begin with trying to argue or justify and IMO talking about money and how much You saved by having built by Your own (what`s mostly not true also) or trying to convince her how a fine thing can be DIY audio usually is not very successfull on the long run..........the best what You can (and will) expect after all this efforts is ....well,..fine......BUT...

That`s what I call wasting energy, therefore skip the persuading exercises, if possible avoid talking about it at all (in particular about money), save this time and do Your things You have to do

BTW: to tell her that this it what makes You happy can`t harm of course but again the right wording is most important so don`t forget to add "after You" - otherwise You might have set Yourself in trouble yet again.
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Old 15th August 2003, 01:23 PM   #30
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Yes, bulls**t it is - but no energy wasted! That`s exactly what my point was about.
Yes it is bullsh*t, and it is energy wasted. I've never stopped my partners doing what they wanted or enjoyed (with a very few exceptions) so why in the hell should they stop me having what pleases me? Or whay should I have to schmooze or rationalise it to them?

Talk about an unhealthy dysfunctional relationship.
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