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Old 2nd December 2010, 04:23 AM   #11
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The breakdown is faster and the fixes r also cheap, sometimes. How much would a adapter with 12/5 Volts cost if u want to replace the internal PSU. It is readily available for use with USB external drives.

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Old 2nd December 2010, 05:01 AM   #12
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I remember when my late father bought our first (B&W) TV in 1954 - a DuMont console.<snip> I recall it wasn't replaced until the mid-sixties at least- and during those years it had a new picture tube as well.
Only a 10 year life and a new tube during that. Not so great. We just tossed a Magnavox console from 1990. It still worked OK but was getting pretty dim. Color was going, too. A new picture tube might have done it, but why bother?

Will the LCD TVs of this Christmas still be going strong in 2020? Probably. 2030? Maybe.

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And don't get started on what it was like keeping a car running in the 'good old days'.
So true! Read some old car mags, especially reviews in Consumers Reports to get a feel for that. It was standard to report on all the little fixes that needed to be done right off the showroom floor. Not to mention break-in. There was a lot of "fixing" that went into a new car back then.
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Old 2nd December 2010, 08:36 AM   #13
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This "old guy" is only 30!!

The problem with the capacitors in computers etc was down to the Chinese stealing the formula for an electrolyte from a big Japanese manufacturer - Nichicon I think. The problem was that they didn't steal the complete formula, they omitted the stabiliser part, which meant that the electrolyte would produce hydrogen... which popped the capacitors.

Notice now that all the good PC motherboards no longer use cheapo Chinese caps, and always use Rubycon, Nichicon, Nippon Chemicon etc. This is why.
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Old 2nd December 2010, 10:00 AM   #14
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Default it's called Programmed Obsolescence

B&D came up with that idea after they noticed that people renting a small appartment were buying drills to hang a poster....
It went all downwards from then....

I bought a 17' CRT monitor Sylvania, at Costco, 366 days later it broke down, got my money back and bought a new larger one, 31 days later this one broke down.....
Two of my family members bought an S10 (Chev) less than 10 months go by and both have them have a broken waterpump.......
Programmed obsolescence that is what it is called

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Old 3rd December 2010, 02:28 AM   #15
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Jaycee, this is the thread I mentioned earlier, it's got more on that situation than you can shake a stick at:
Tale of bad capacitors taking a company down
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Old 3rd December 2010, 03:02 AM   #16
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Its' as if I'm living in an alternate universe! My families electronic gear is breaking down faster than I can fix it! First to go was my CD/VCR combo..fixed that OK PS solder cracks (Poor heat management). But now I have two LCD computer monitors down, and, I just heard of a relatives BIG flatscreen going sizzle, sizzle. It is almost as if....the newer it is, the less life it will have. Whats going on here? The first monitor (KDS 700P) May 1995 build. OK. The second monitor four years. The flatscreen two years. Are the builders relying on the public buying new rather than fixing? It would seem so.
So I jump into the first one & of course it has the SMPS PS...all that crap for just two voltages, 12VDC & 5VDC...gotta make it small.forget about reliability.....forget about "overbuilding". Just make it good enough to work & nothing else. We took it to a tech first & of course its obsolete & "parts are not available" was the refrain. So I got a shot at it....cleaned up all the chintzy solder jobs(Cold joints) still nothing.........& finding a diagram? Not in this universe.


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Well, NOT all is (junk) to give an example is Bryston, They will give you a 20 years warranty in parts and labor, They are made to last!!!!. I understand your frustration. now you get so cheap staff these days. I used to fix electronics items that lasted over 10 years without service, that staff was way better build than the things that you find in stores today. now you can find a DVD player for $30 New. Do you expect quality or reliability for that price?. Bussines...Bussines...Bussines
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Old 3rd December 2010, 08:44 PM   #17
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Hello lanchile, agree with you about Bryston, and some others on their level. And yes, the $30 DVD players are disposable. But what bothers me is not the $30 disposable, but the $300+ ones that are the same way.

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Old 4th December 2010, 04:11 AM   #18
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Hello lanchile, agree with you about Bryston, and some others on their level. And yes, the $30 DVD players are disposable. But what bothers me is not the $30 disposable, but the $300+ ones that are the same way.

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Old 4th December 2010, 08:13 PM   #19
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Well I guess all this cheap electronics has brought about one thing...info on the Internet. On the PS board there are four overheating spots on the PCB. Four AO4606 "Complimentary Enhancement Mode FETs" CEMFET ???? These devices are obsolete, but still available........there are scores of sites devoted to blogs about this monitor & what to look for...
The board is chocked full of Samxon brand caps...not noted for long life.Now to scrape up the parts & start soldering......

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Old 4th December 2010, 09:17 PM   #20
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B&D came up with that idea after they noticed that people renting a small appartment were buying drills to hang a poster....
It went all downwards from then....

I bought a 17' CRT monitor Sylvania, at Costco, 366 days later it broke down, got my money back and bought a new larger one, 31 days later this one broke down.....
Two of my family members bought an S10 (Chev) less than 10 months go by and both have them have a broken waterpump.......
Programmed obsolescence that is what it is called

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you are getting what you pay for. The concept of programmed obsolescence is not valid in any of the cases you name. You have bought on price and you have received the design quality that that price implies.
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