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True Power-- Math Question

I have attached a picture of a parallel RLC circuit that I am trying to calculate the Power Factor.

Branch 1 is a Resistor of 10 Ohms
Branch 2 is an Inductor of .02H & has 4 Ohms DC resistance.
Branch 3 is a 6 0hm Resistor with a 200uF Capacitor in Series.

I have calculated the Branch Impedances, Inductive Reactance, Capacitive Reactance, Currents etc & also the Apparent Power kVA.

I am trying to work out how to get the Power Factor of this circuit.

PF = True Power/ Apparent Power P/S =?
I am not sure how to Find the True Power?

I have looked at different formula's but none of them seem to work for my pea sized brain, can someone help me out with this, I thought that the equation for Apparent power was for True power but obviously not?.

Cheers.
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Last edited by wdcw; 18th October 2010 at 12:57 AM.

 18th October 2010, 02:08 AM #2 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: washington, DC Blog Entries: 1 true power is actual consumed power. In your circuit only resistances are dissipating (consuming) power. So, calculate power dissipation by R1, R2, R3, sum them up and you get a true power (calculate currents through resistors and use formula I^2*R) Apparent Power = total current through circuit * applied Voltage (do not forget you have reactive elements in the circuit) PF=True Power/apparent power __________________ My System
 18th October 2010, 02:19 AM #3 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hangzhou - Marco Polo's 'most beautiful city'. 700yrs is a long time though... Blog Entries: 140 I would use AC analysis (not transient) as its a linear network. This then will give you the current from the source and its phase. Then true power is calculated by taking the cosine of the phase angle (the PF) and multiplying this by the apparent power. I think, I haven't tried it.... __________________ The heart ... first dictates the conclusion, then commands the head to provide the reasoning that will defend it. Anthony de Mello
 18th October 2010, 03:33 AM #4 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jul 2010 Thanks for the replies, Irakli, I am a little confused with this. So I just use the Resistance values of R1, R2, R3 & not the Z Impedance total value of each branch? I calculated things using the Parallel resistance calculation & then the current for each branch but things don't seem correct. So do I just Add R1 + R2 + R3 which gives 20 Ohms? 230V/20R = 11.5A True Power = I^2 * R = 132.25 * 20 = 2.645kW PF = P/S True Power/ Apparent Power = 2.645kW/6.624kVA PF = .4 Is this correct, I thought I may have to use the Z impedance total for each brach in parallel & then work things out from there? I have to say I am a little confused. Cheers Last edited by wdcw; 18th October 2010 at 03:38 AM.
 18th October 2010, 03:38 AM #5 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: washington, DC Blog Entries: 1 no, not like that. Calculate the power dissipated in each resistor and add them up afterwards. __________________ My System
 18th October 2010, 03:55 AM #6 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jul 2010 Hi Irakli, I did that before but something doesn't seem right. R1 = 230/10 =23A R2 = 230/4 =57.5A R3 = 230/6 =38.3A IT = 118A Where to from here as things don't seem right? Cheers
 18th October 2010, 04:34 AM #7 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: washington, DC Blog Entries: 1 OK, let' do it by book, with some compex numbers: 1. Let's calculate total complex impedance of the circuit. 1/Ztot=1/Z1+1/Z2+1/Z3 Z1=R1=10ohm Z2=R2+j*2*Pi*f*L=4+J*6.28*50*0.02=4+j*6.28 (4 is a real part and 6.28 is imaginary part of the Z2 impedance) Z3=R3+j/(2*Pi*f*C)=6-j*15.92 (please doublecheck the math yourself). Thus, current I=V/Z=V*(1/Z)=230*(1/Z)=44.36-j*13.61 As you see current has real and imaginary parts. Now we need to calculate angle between voltage and current. tg(a)=Im(I)/Re(I)=-13.61/44.36=-0.31 "a" is an angle how much current is shifted vs. voltage. Power Factor is simply PF=|cos(a)|. Knowing tg(a) you find |cos(a)| |cos(a)|=sqrt(1/(1+tg(a)*tg(a)))=0.96 (again, please check math to be sure) __________________ My System
 18th October 2010, 04:48 AM #8 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jul 2010 Hi Irakli, I'm sure your math is correct & thank you very much for that, unfortunately I do not understand complex numbers at this stage as I am only learning. Could you possibly help me with standard math numbers. Thank You Cheers
 18th October 2010, 05:02 AM #9 diyAudio Member     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: washington, DC Blog Entries: 1 Here is another way to calculate; 1. determine |Z1|, |Z2| and |Z3| e.g. |Z2|=sqrt (R2*R2+wL*wL) where w=2*Pi*f 2. calculate currents through each branch (your simulator already shows them) |I1|=23A, |I2|=30.9 , |I3|=13.52 calculate power dissipated by ACTIVE elements (resistors) in each branch true power (power which is converted into heat) P=P1+P2+P3=R1*I1^2+R2*I2^2+R3*I3^2=5290+3812+1097= 10199=10.20KW (thats a lot of power,lol) Now we need to calculate apparent power which is S=|V|*|Itot|=230*|Itot| Itot is not simply a sum of |I1|+|I2|+|I3|. I think thats where you have a problem. You need to sum currents as vectors and then find the magnitude. as I mentioned in previous post, Itot=44.36-j*13.61. So, |itot|=sqrt(44.36^2+13.61^2)=46.06A (not 118A as in your calculations) Apparent power S=230*46.06=10594W power Factpr PF=10.20/10.59=0.96 Have fun __________________ My System
 18th October 2010, 05:07 AM #10 diyAudio Member   Join Date: Jul 2010 Thanks Irakli, I now see where I was going wrong & you were correct where you mentioned it: "Itot is not simply a sum of |I1|+|I2|+|I3|. I think thats where you have a problem. You need to sum currents as vectors and then find the magnitude. as I mentioned in previous post, Itot=44.36-j*13.61. So, |itot|=sqrt(44.36^2+13.61^2)=46.06A (not 118A as in your calculations)" This is where I was stumbling but now I see how you have worked it out. Thank You very much for your time, greatly appreciated! Cheers Last edited by wdcw; 18th October 2010 at 05:10 AM.

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