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Old 7th September 2010, 12:39 PM   #491
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Stalker, determining physical properties is part of testing devices. Especially for this niche market where people obsess over (say) a magnetic endcap in a resistor that is connected to a vacuum tube full of magnetic stuff...

Not speculation, the lead material is something that Bybee specifies, gives options (with ascending pricing), and was actually checked. Everything else I'm looking at is speculative, since Bybee will not present any data showing device efficacy and function.
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Old 7th September 2010, 12:56 PM   #492
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And sure, there is speculation going on until the results are in. That's to be expected. Ever watch sports of any kind? Any speculation going on there before the end results?

Take it with a grain of salt - it's human nature.
 
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Who cares about the materials they have used to build this thing if it ends up doing what they say it does.
This from the Bybee website:

During transit through the Quantum Purifier, quantum noise energy is stripped off the electrons, streamlining their flow through ensuing conductors. Unwanted quantum noise energy dissipates as heat within the Quantum Purifier rather than emerging as a layer of contamination residue over the audio/video information.

How's SY going to verify whether this is going on or not? Its unfalsifiable.

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Once the tests are done you guys are free to explain all that makes this product a scam, a failure or a success.
There is no scam failure or success, everything is relative.

As I have said somewhere on my web site, it does not matter. To us the quizzical tech minded DIY'er actual test data means something. To some others, the words and praise of revered experts matters. If someone believes that a device (whether it is a cable, Bybee, stone, or whatever) makes his system sound better to him, and he has the means to pay for it, then it works for him....period.

The Bybee device may make the system sound better. It needs to make the system $200 worth of better. The "amount" of "better" is the question we are trying to answer.

My DIY efforts are on a rather strict budget. My engineering background would convince me that the $200 would make the most impact if it was spent on better components like OPT's at build time. To the guy with the $50K system that already has fancy cables and all the tweaks, it would be a deal!
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And to have someone teach them about bins and apodization.
Beat me to it. Lots of graphs with improperly windowed FFT's, which are prone to amplify tiny differences (at least visually).
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Yes, a 200$ subtle improvement in your audio system is a bargain to some people. My experience tells me that I get dramatic improvements in the perceived audio depending on what I eat, drink or smoke so I don't pay much attention to cables or magic devices.

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How's SY going to verify whether this is going on or not? Its unfalsifiable.
All the more reason not to copy their ways of explaining things. That mumbo jumbo talk is not that different of what I have been reading here. At the end of the day what really matters is if it improves the sound or not, the rest is irrelevant. Yes, the marketing sounds bad but the product may sound good. Our "marketing" didn't sound very good either. Not without proof.
 
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Yes, a 200$ subtle improvement in your audio system is a bargain to some people.... At the end of the day what really matters is if it improves the sound or not, the rest is irrelevant.
Actually, I have to disagree here. If I can get the same (or very similar) improvement from a 30p resistor, then that's something that I want to know about as a DIY'r. I'm not speculating as to whether the BQPs work or not, I just want to see hard data.

Also, I do agree that a 'remarkable improvement in sound' should be demonstrable with the right kind of measurement. While I'm not naive enough to think that we know everything about sound and how we perceive it, I'm also not naive enough to think that you can't at least find some data in the measurements to at indicate an audible difference.
 
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An then we have to decide if the difference is "better"! Of course those who use the Bybee think it is.
But I'm also in the "If I can do it with off the shelf cheap parts - I will" camp.

Will there be any differences that can't be attributed to normal LCR stuff?
 
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At the measured LCR, you can't even attribute much to THAT. L is lower than I can measure, as is C. R is 27 milliohms. May as well have 3 inches of wire.
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NOT beforehand.
Will the ones who tried the Bybee Biggies in the late 90s not be dissapointed ?

http://gecom-technologies.de/pdf/Byb...%20%284%29.pdf
http://gecom-technologies.de/pdf/Byb...%20%285%29.pdf
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