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Old 1st December 2010, 11:40 AM   #991
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I have not read the whole thread (life is too short!), but my impression is that if this device works at all (which I am not clear about, despite claims made by sincere people) it certainly does not work in the way claimed, as that would require the device to be able to distinguish between signal and (quantum) noise in the same frequency range. This would mean that the device is akin to Maxwell's demon i.e. carry out its master's wishes by using special knowledge denied to mere mortals. It would also require that once filtered, the electrons somehow retained their new order despite future scattering from dislocations, phonons etc. This I do not believe.

It is said that the device removes quantum noise, and converts it to heat. Surely the removal of randomness (i.e. the imposition of order) would require energy input, so the device should cool itself (as it has no other energy source)? Otherwise it violates thermodynamics. However, I accept that the cooling may be very small compared with the ohmic heating in the resistor, so perhaps difficult to detect.

My own suggestion (if it does anything, other than enhancing the placebo effect) is that it removes RF surface modes from cables (see http://www.corridor.biz/FullArticle.pdf). It is conceivable that it could be better at this than a conventional choke, which is aimed at reducing the more commonly recognised current-based modes. The energy in the surface mode could be dissipated as heat in the ceramics. By the way, ceramics can be made which have quite unusual electromagnetic properties (I worked for a while with a research team) so it is not inconceivable that a suitable arrangement could choke off surface modes. Conventional measurements, treating the item as a two-terminal component, might not detect these properties.

I am not a believer, but I have found that sometimes a genuine effect can be dismissed because it is accompanied by a crazy explanation. We can usually safely reject the crazy explanation, although just occasionally (quantum mechanics?) the crazy explanation turns out to be true!
 
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It's been pointed out before that the claims violate first principles. Not just the Second Law, but the First as well.

However, since no effects show up in the audio band at any sane level, it's safe (in the total absence of any supplier data to the contrary and any controlled listening test) to categorize this as a relatively expensive placebo enhancer.

Like any good scam, what you're buying is the story, not the performance.
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However, since no effects show up in the audio band at any sane level,
I am too sane, three of the five doctors signed off on it!


Sorry brought to mind very old joke.
 
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Other two demanded too high a bribe ?
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Any discontinuity in ground return or well constructed cable might be audible (EMI, RFI), this is IMO the main difference that the Bybee's make in line level or power level installation. + Marketing soup = audible difference.
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Ha-ha, I was always wondering if this thread can get platinum. It is almost there, few more posts to go
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Maybe that's the secret- platinum nanotubes.
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I just bought the three cheapest, I may be crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm stupid!
 
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Well then, I'll have to supply it.

Appreciate your efforts SY. A good read.
 

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