Onus and bonus when you open threads and offer amplifiers to forum folks build

[destroyer X]

This is not easy as some folks may think....you will be alike an oister...hitted by the waves at one side, and facing the hard rock into the other side.

Sometimes you need some help, from moderators,and some of them.... from time to time, behaves alike a sausage inside a bread... a hot dog with maionaisse...when you hold and press them the sausage slip away.... the sausage goes out from the bread, fell down and produce a lot of mess.... sometimes alike a soap in wet hands..you hold and it goes out from your hands.... you cannot count with them..not always....only when obvious figths happens...people may say bad words...to be clear offensive..if they are clever and goes bothering...moderators are neutralised.

There are several reasons that move people to open threads to offer amplifiers to build...mine is to be usefull, to be helpfull, to be happy watching people building my amplifiers...but this takes time and work... dedication and patience.

You have to design, to assemble to test, have to make torture and destructive tests to be sure the amplifier is reliable and safe..has to measure because technocrats will come to ask things that matters to them... have to simulated, to build prototype, to produce pictures to prove the amplifier exists, to make a board layout...if you do not know how to do it, or do not want to learn eagle, then you have to accept cooperation... and do not think this is easy...there are negociations..the one helps you also wants something ...a part of the glory, a part of the fame and the freedom to put their own name, mark and style in the board...and you have to make concessions..you have to accept things you dislike..... at the end, the guy is cooperating, he is not your employee....so.... your power is limited...have to negotiate... all time long negotiate.

You may need to change things...the one made layout will have hard work..the schematic must be changed, the layout, the copper lines image to etch boards.... forum folks must know, of course, what is going on...and another negotiation starts.

You need to give them support and follow up..sometimes is not very easy..some folks decide to build when they are not prepared to do that.....

....... to be continued.....

regards,

Carlos

[destroyer X]

... some guys not prepared, not skilled, then you have to give them help... the majority goes to your direct mail or forum message system..then you will have several posts a day to read and answer, having different problems and doubts... awfull that..the same doubt one has may be good to others to read.... they will get the answer this way..and posted..registered to everybody use the informations...there, posted...the question and the answer..to eveybody!

Some of them, facing problems, goes to the thread in panic saying the amplifiers exploded, the board burned and so on.... and this is terrible, as others knowing the accident that happens, turn afraid and give up to build.... and if you collect some happyness having people building, then you gonna loose happyness and enjoyment in your life..the amplifier image goes burned for a long time till people forget or lazyness to read the entire thread make them ignorant about what happened before (good!).

The same way i can take a schematic and modify, tweak and adjust, others can do the same...but people prefere to go to your thread and try to tweak yours...this is easier...has not responsability..... the thread opener, the amplifier responsable have to test..he will decide if good or not...this way they transfere responsabilities and work for us...some of them want the glory but do not want the work, nor the responsability.... so.. you do the hard work and some of them try to include modifications... they will collect their seconds of fame and you collect the hard work.

People goes trying to modify, they want something that has their personnal touch...their personality..they want your amplifier to belong to them too..they say want to cooperate...but they want a piece, an ammount, a part of the amplifier glory and fame..but do not want the ônus..the hard work, the responsability...want to give you advices, to include things..but if this results bad...your problem..the thread owner is the responsable.

Some of them wants to modify things and wants you to give the technicall support.

In my point of view, and i think i am rigth..thousand per cent rigth, we should not allow people to modify our schematics and amplifiers...to keep something tested and worked posted and offered to our forum and our communitty..if others wants to do their own..they can collect the same schematic, the same source (Blameless was my last source..from Doctor Self) and do their own..offering other option to forum folks...one more amplifier to the communitty, without messing with yours.

But they usually do not want that...they want to enter your thread, already organized... having already made schematic, already made layout..already made ray x vision, charts with voltages already made..pictures and so on....all job done..then they want to change... this is easier...no hard job..no work, no responsability..them the mess starts if you let them do.

Michael Bittner made a lovely amplifier..i have it here..them others enters... style XXXX was made.... style ZZZZ was made..his first design was lost..he abandoned the thread..others took care, others opened other threads (much better this way) and "develop" another amplifier..almost the same..with some personnal touches on them...i have build one of the last ones.... terrible the sound...bad measurements in the simulator...they killed, smashed Bittner work.

Forum management stimulates this.... wants people to create,.... and this is not good for the ones open threads, to forum itself and the community... seems good, as this is freedom..but we may make some difference in word meaning...some freedom is liberty.. too much freedom is profiglacy, vice, fastness,crapulence, salacity (google translator)....kill one amplifier inside a thread, not opening another thread..erasing that option.... making it not the last model...creating an update model that will make the previous one goes to the limbus, the universe black hole of forgotten things!...is not good..we loose this way.... work trown out.... wasted work....one substituted by other...you have not more two..you have only one...former erased, substituted....

...... to be continued after breakfast.

regards,

Carlos

[destroyer X]

... the Dx amplifier....and the one is not mine...was captured, copied in the internet..from other factories..from the seventies and eigthies...tuned, recalculated, modified...but the origin..the DNA, is clear that is not mine.

But almost 10 guys (more or less..i have not counted..was a bunch of friends) made almost the same...they took the amplifier and changed some resistance values, introduced a CCS here, they changed a capacitor there...and ready!.... made something i have already made while trying the best possible (to my ears) to this topology, the bootstrap generic one...so.... they are offering alike "flashes" of my past...moments, stages of development i have passed througth, made anything really too much different or better in sonics..only variation around the same theme.... some tried to do that in the Dx amplifier thread and i invited them to open their own...some of them made the whole job..the board, the layout, the simulations, the charts, the schematic and the follow up...some of them made the whole job..others not.

The same way i can pick an amplifier an develop, others can do that if they want..they are free to do that... the same way i did.

We have to work hard, to be under criticism from some engineer (not all them, a minority) that wants things made following rules, precision in mathematics and correct decisions (their opinions) about subcircuits...and the go to the threads to point other guy's work errors..they usually do not build things to help and cooperate to the forum..their cooperation is to give notes, rates and to evaluate other guy's job.... i had to make another amplifier, technically less wrong, more perfect to their taste, to be rid of them...the perfect amplifier, sounds worse than the former one.... well.... one advantage i had, the chance to prove that perfect mathematic and technicall solutions does not guarantee excellence in sonics.

But we collect a lot of gladness, happyness, many moments of enjoyment, it is great when people build your creations and feel good..when this drives them happy...this is the payment for the hard job and to accept some boring guys buzzing around in the name of freedom of expression.

But be sure you gonna face jellows, envy and terrible feelings.... people around you may want to steal your job for themselves..some of them wants to cooperate, others wants for themselves..if you give them room..they they will kick you out...you should paint a line in the floor and say clearly.....that side your side...your limits, your border....that side my land...do not mess with my design that means invade my land because i will react..will give inform you kindly three times and them will be less kind.

Build amplifiers folks...create amplifiers by yourself!.... copy amplifiers...do something good for yourself and our community, be positive, another helping hand..give some from your time...make some efforts...produce boards, make layout, assemble things... and avoid to mess with Quasi amplifiers, Roender amplifiers, Dx amplifiers, Symassym and several others..these are universal property... forum property....our property... we should respect them, the job applied, the effort applied..and if we want... we can do the same.

regards,

Carlos

[destroyer X]

include your modifications, your upgrade and update..do it different...produce different nice boards..produce layout, schematic, follow up, help folks to build..put your name on it..be happy..make others happy..... you can do that without mess with others...without destroy other amplifier originality..you can multiply..you can do more amplifiers, more options, different sonics..and to collect the fame, the glory, the enjoyment and happyness you for sure deserve.

But avoid to enter other amplifiers thread trying to modify, applying suggestions into amplifiers already made, designed, tested and finished ..beeing offered, as tested, for folks to build.... can do better?

Prove that!..make yours!

regards,

Carlos

[firechief]

Carlos - I understand, and agree. You are really talking about the human condition, and I haven't found a way to change humans. This same phenomenon is true whenever we deal with people. Still we can try to be gentelman always, like you.

[destroyer X]

thank you firechief

regards,

Carlos