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Old 18th June 2003, 01:53 AM   #21
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Nothing is gospel, question everything, and judge it in the light of experience.
Yes, but I am afraid many/most even get their university degrees
without quite realizing that, though the milage may vary
between countries and school systems. Myself, I didn't quite
think about this while studying for my Masters degree. It took
me about a year or two as a PhD student to realize that one
cannot trust and should question even standard textbooks
and peer reviewed scientific papers. I'm also a bit binary in
this respect. i tend to switch between being extremely critical
and being too uncritical, depending on what it is all about, my
mood etc. Hence, I do now and then post things while in the
uncritical mode and which I later regret.
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Old 18th June 2003, 01:59 AM   #22
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Yes, but I am afraid many/most even get their university degrees without quite realizing that,
If you only knew what happened at Examination Boards! No, it's best not to get me started on this topic. I'll just point out that it's not in an institution's financial interest to fail a student.
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Old 18th June 2003, 02:11 AM   #23
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If you only knew what happened at Examination Boards! No, it's best not to get me started on this topic. I'll just point out that it's not in an institution's financial interest to fail a student.
Well I am a university teacher, but I stubbornly refuse to pass
students for such reasons.
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Old 18th June 2003, 02:20 AM   #24
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I'm delighted to hear that you can be stubborn.
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Old 18th June 2003, 02:24 AM   #25
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I'm delighted to hear that you can be stubborn.
Don't know if that is generally a positive thing, but in some
cases it definitely is. I had a student once who complained
about failing an exam because it was the last one he needed
for his degree and he had already got at job under the condition
that he had the degree. He got quite mad when I told him it
wasn't my fault he applied for a job before having his degree.
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A PhD is Professor of Harley Davidson isn't it ?.

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Old 18th June 2003, 02:35 AM   #27
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A PhD is Professor of Harley Davidson isn't it ?.

Eric.
In that cased I am quite a louse one. I know next to nothing
about motor cycles, except that they usually make a lot of
disturbing noise and think that traffic rules are just for cars.
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Old 18th June 2003, 02:38 AM   #28
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I had a student once who complained about failing an exam because it was the last one he needed for his degree and he had already got at job under the condition that he had the degree. He got quite mad when I told him it wasn't my fault he applied for a job before having his degree.
All students have to apply for jobs before getting their degree. If his future employers made their job offer contingent on a pass degree, then they weren't really happy about him in the first place. Think about it, having interviewed a prospective student, you make an offer. If they are good, you make an offer slightly lower than you think they will achieve because you know that things can go wrong on exam day, and you have already made your assessment. Conversely, you might make a negative assessment, but accept that you could be wrong, so you make an offer with conditions. Viewed in this light, your employer offering a pass as a condition for employment was being quite generous, and you were perfectly within your (moral) rights.
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Old 18th June 2003, 02:45 AM   #29
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A PhD is Professor of Harley Davidson isn't it ?.

Nah, it stands for "Piled Higher and Deeper"

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Viewed in this light, your employer offering a pass as a condition for employment was being quite generous, and you were perfectly within your (moral) rights.
I damn right was, but this guy went quite mad.

Actually in Sweden it is, or at least in times of shortage of
engineers, quite common, if not even rather a rule than an
exception, that students both get and start an employment
while still having a few (sometimes too many) exams yet
to pass. Of course, trying to read for an exam while having
a work at the same time is not always that easy, so sadly
many end up never getting their degrees, which of course
might affect their salaries and make their employments more
insecure when there is time to fire people.
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