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ashok 15th June 2003 03:51 AM

Win ME to XP ?
 
Hi ,
I have Windows ME on my laptop ( Sony Vaio) and it's really crappy. The number of problems is too long to list out.
Would it be possible to load WindowsXP over ME?
I am of course assuming WinXP IS really worth using. My desktop has Win98Se and its seems to be fine most of the time. Would XP be an improvement ?

I don't want to spend on another operating system unless it is really worth upgrading to it. I heard lots of good and bad things about XP. Can anyone give a suggestion?
Thanks.

jleaman 15th June 2003 03:57 AM

i can help on this.. can yuo post some spec's of the system please..


Cpu Speed
ram count
hard drive size.

ashok 15th June 2003 11:06 AM

Details
 
Hi JasonL,
The cpu on my Sony Vaio laptop is an AMD K2+ 550Mhz with 64Mb RAM and a 20 Gb hard drive. I will upgrade the RAM to 128Mb soon.
I checked on the Vaio web site where they said that I will have to upgrade the BIOS if I use XP or Win2000.
Can I just load the OS from the original CD and then upgrade the BIOS.
Thanks for all the help.

jean-paul 15th June 2003 11:10 AM

Make that 256 mb RAM if you want to install XP. Maybe Win 2000 is a better choice for your laptop since it is smaller and somewhat less memory-consuming. Win2000 is the best choice if you have a relative small harddisk. Whether it be Win2000 or it's more bloated brother XP ( which is practically the same underneath the hood ), you'll have a much more stable system than with Me that's still DOS based and rather buggy. Especially the memory bug in Me leads to instability when you use your laptop intensively.

Before you install please flash the BIOS. Make backups of files and mail. Boot from cd and partition the disk in at least 2 partitions. The primary partition should be at least 2.5 gb in the case of XP.

Format the primary partition NTFS and the other(s) FAT32. In case of failure you'll always be able to see ( NTFS is superior to FAT32 but is "invisible" for DOS ) and save your data and you enjoy the stability/security of NTFS. In the case you use Outlook Express make a folder on D:\ drive that's called Mail. Now change the path in Outlook Express under Extra-Options-Maintenance-Archive ( translated from dutch, might be somewhat different ) from c:\ etc. etc. to D:\Mail. Please copy your saved mail and adress book to this location after you've done these actions !

That way you'll always have your mail and adress book in case you have to reinstall after crash/virus etc. Futhermore make sure you'll save all other data on the D:\ disk instead of C:\. Your system will stay cleaner that way.

I really advise you to do a clean install instead of upgrading Me. You'll end up with a cleaner and faster system.

As a last advice: please run Windows update afterwards and install the available Service Packs. Always install an antivirus program and update it on weekly base. Download Adaware from www.lavasoft.de and scan your system once in the month for spyware and other nasty things as Bonzi buddy and Gator etc.

vdi_nenna 15th June 2003 11:39 AM

if upgrading...
 
Backup any important information first. It is best if you do a clean install and not upgrade from an older version of Windows. I've seen many networks, dial-up and vpn problems from upgrading from 98se to Win2k.

Circlotron 15th June 2003 11:42 AM

No Trouble
 
FWIW, if you don't play games or use anything that wants Direct X or USB, i.e if you just want a rock solid, no nonsense platform and you want to stick with Microsoft, then my OS of choice is NT4 with service pack 6. I've had it for 18 months now and it almost never gets stuck. Well actually, it has about 2 or 3 times in that period. XP and '2000 are built on the NT kernel but with all the frilly doo-dads and add-ons reliability must suffer somewhat.

NT - straighforward, real 32 bit, reliable, not very hardware hungry. Not a gamer's OS though.

fmak 15th June 2003 11:48 AM

Re: Win ME to XP ?
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ashok
[B]Hi ,
I have Windows ME on my laptop ( Sony Vaio) and it's really crappy. The number of problems is too long to list out.
Would it be possible to load WindowsXP over ME?
I am of course assuming WinXP IS really worth using. My desktop has Win98Se and its seems to be fine most of the time. Would XP be an improvement ?

---------------------------------------------
I don't find xp that exciting as one loses control many functions. I prefer a well installed 98SE which is very stable.

I have computers with 98SE, ME (which is ok) and XP (which is tooooo automatic).

jean-paul 15th June 2003 01:44 PM

Quote:

XP and '2000 are built on the NT kernel but with all the frilly doo-dads and add-ons reliability must suffer somewhat.

NT - straighforward, real 32 bit, reliable, not very hardware hungry. Not a gamer's OS though.

Although you're right about the positive features of NT you're definitely wrong concerning reliability. W2K/XP are more stable and reliable with NT as a very good second. W98SE is OK but NOT to be compared with the NT variants. Windows Me really is worse than W98SE. Microsoft has admitted the memory bug and is not doing anything about it since the OS is obsolete now. When many programs are opened and closed again the memory is still claimed to be in use and the sytem will become slower and slower AND instable. W98SE does not suffer at all from these phenomenons, neither does any NT variant. NTFS file system is by far superior to FAT32 and gives more possibilities securing your system even on file level.

But concerning NT 4.0 : no USB/USB 2.0/Firewire support, no plug and play, no Dynamic DNS if you need that etc. Most important is that Microsoft stops making bugfixes, Service Packs and so on because thay want to sell XP. In other words: support will stop in the very near future or maybe they already stopped support.

NT has the disadvantage that buggy drivers can bring down the OS. The digital signing of drivers is a positive development in W2K/XP. And because of its age some features are missing like DirectX. It also does not like 2 of the same NIC's in the system etc. Small hardware errors cause blue screens whereas W2K/XP can withstand more. But NT lacks the Product Activation and the bloatware that comes with its modern brothers( positive ! ).

A lot of people are complaining of high system load in NT 4.0 ( a fact ! ) when harddisk is accessed. A tip: download the DMAcheck utility from Microsoft ( works from SP 5 ) and run it. Only running and enabling DMA access is enough. Every modern IDE/ATAPI harddisk is DMA ( Direct Memory Access, transfering data from HD to sytem without asking the CPU first ) capable and enabling this standard disabled feature will diminish CPU load@diskaccess from 70 % to less than 10 %. No cost, no disadvantages, no instability. With modern chipsets like Intel 810/815 etc. you can download Intel Application Accelerator instead. It'll do the same.
You'll be surprised if you try it.

Download of DMAcheck utility: http://support.microsoft.com/default...NoWebContent=1

Still run NT 4.0 Server with SP6a on my server and it'll stay there for many more years. I love the simplicity, speed and small size of this OS. Despite it's negative reputation it became pretty stable after SP5. But the damage was already done.

jean-paul 15th June 2003 02:20 PM

I want to add that NT 4.0 really is OK but lacks features that make working with laptops easier. It wasn't made for use on laptops after all !!

Always install the Power Management/ Docking Services/ PCMCIA support tools from the manufacturer when they have them for NT 4.0.

Example: plug out your cd rom drive and plug it in again. NT 4.0 won't recognize the thing without a restart ( and when support tools aren't installed ).

Power saving tools are not as mature as the built in Power saving tools in W2K/XP. Something you'll really want with a laptop...

theChris 15th June 2003 05:09 PM

my favorite quote was from a CS friend on the newest version of windows (is it in beta now or was it leaked?)

"it's like a cross between windows 2000 and windows XP."


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