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Old 20th May 2003, 06:17 PM   #11
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Default yeah i'm an idiot

"idiots"? ad hominem, that's a pretty convincing argument.

maybe one needs to move one's bed because the streetlamp is in their eyes, or they're too close to the wall, or their room is just poorly designed. i suspect these (environmental psychology) factors are a bit more significant (and real) than some supposed radiation.

the human imagination is great fun, eh. i think the tinfoil cap might be useful for reflecting brain waves back into the skull, thus preventing their escape.


***edit: PS - don't forget lunar effects!
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Old 22nd May 2003, 11:25 AM   #12
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The original EM-blocking beanie, so useful. I would wear one every day, but I'm not crazy.
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Old 22nd May 2003, 12:26 PM   #13
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Default Ignorance Is Bliss I Suppose....

Putting aluminium on your head is not advisable.
Regarding the other points I raised, you guys know oh so little.
The dowser that I spoke of was entirely correct in locating a water stream that ran across the grass, under the building and out the other side - explain to me how he was not able to do this.
He also located two other signifcant spots that I knew about but did not understand.
Go research 'ley lines' and 'churches/cathedrals' for some understanding.
While you are at it look up 'Schuman resonance' too.

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Old 24th May 2003, 02:19 AM   #14
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Default Some people will believe anything....

From faustian's link:

"Does dowsing work? The testimonials of dowsers and those who observe them provide the main evidence for dowsing. The evidence is simple: dowsers find what they are dowsing for and they do this many times. What more proof of dowsing is needed? The fact that this pattern of dowsing and finding something occurs repeatedly leads many dowsers and their advocates to make the causal connection between dowsing and finding water, oil, minerals, golf balls, etc. This type of fallacious reasoning is known as post hoc reasoning and is a very common basis for belief in paranormal powers. It is essentially unscientific and invalid. Scientific thinking includes being constantly vigilant against self-deception and being careful not to rely upon insight or intuition in place of rigorous and precise empirical testing of theoretical and causal claims. Every controlled study of dowsers, including the "Scheunen" study [see below], has shown that dowsers do no better than chance in finding what they are looking for. "

I suppose we also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, too?
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Old 24th May 2003, 12:10 PM   #15
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Ever been into as Faraday (sheet copper) screened room for doing sensitive RF measurements.
In my memory this is a very different feeling room, and it is not the sonic changes that are the difference.
We have one of those at work and for me it is no different inside or out. But then again, I can't tell whether a wire is directional or not either....

This was my reply to another thread a while back that I also think is behind the phenomena of dowsing, something that I *have* seen with my own eyes. http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showt...8529#post78529
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Old 24th May 2003, 01:21 PM   #16
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Care to elaborate on what you have *seen* ?.

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Old 24th May 2003, 01:47 PM   #17
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Care to elaborate on what you have *seen* ?.

Eric.
I met up with a fellow who was a professional dowser and he couldn't tell me fast enough that he was one, and he proceeded to walk to and fro with his length of coat hanger wire until it wiggled in his hand all by itself asI could see. (very short version of story)

It's way past bedtime in this end of the country! Cya!
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Old 24th May 2003, 08:47 PM   #18
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Default Anybody read this thread? Is it worth it? Or, "We Have Something For Everyone"

one born every minute

this is getting silly. one more bit of time-wasteage, then i'm done.

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Putting aluminium on your head is not advisable.
Regarding the other points I raised, you guys know oh so little.
The dowser that I spoke of was entirely correct in locating a water stream that ran across the grass, under the building and out the other side - explain to me how he was not able to do this.
don't have to. however you must prove that his 'success' was not by chance. anyone can guess an underground stream, statistics of chance say that someone, sometime, will get it right.

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He also located two other signifcant spots that I knew about but did not understand.

again, chance. not to mention hearsay and possible misinterpretation and self-deception. (no offense.)

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Go research 'ley lines' and 'churches/cathedrals' for some understanding.
While you are at it look up 'Schuman resonance' too.

Eric.

ley lines

here's one of the few substantive links google gave me containing 'shuman resonance'. fairly telling if you ask me.

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Old 25th May 2003, 03:38 AM   #19
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I drew a plan of the property.
Frank correctly and accurately map dowsed this water stream which was visible and known to me.
He dowsed a spot in my bedroom that was causing me disturbed sleep.
He also dowsed a spot in the loungeroom where I slept very well.
That is proof to me - I was there and you were not.
You very obviously have no direct experience of any of this.
Just like a lot of other nay-sayers on this forum, you quote negative references from the web, but as we all know not everything on the web is to be trusted.

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Old 25th May 2003, 07:46 AM   #20
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Everyone is gullible to some degree, and there seems to be plenty of people taking advantage of others who are gullible enough to believe in ridiculous claims. That's a good enough reason to dismiss things that you have not experienced first hand, or heard about from reliable sources.

Problem is, as soon as someone claims they have had a paranormal exeprience they are considered an unreliable source because the belief is not common. Even if they were well regarded before the claim. So unless you personally have or witness such an event you will probably never believe it could be true.

There are more people than you think that have had exepriences that leave no doubt that certain paranormal phenomena do occur. We don't usually like to talk about it for obvious reasons. Credibility goes out the window. To much at stake in personal and business relationships.

Now that I've destroyed my credibility I can tell you it's a fact that at least one person has had perceptions that are beyond normal senses. Detailed awareness and knowlege of events and thoughts exeprienced by other persons in the past, present, and future.

As far as the shielded cap that started this thread, I don't know, that was joke.

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