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Old 16th August 2009, 02:02 PM   #11
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The initial post is just trolling, don't waste your time responding. This thread should be locked.

As for different sound for a cable in different direction, there is only one case I am aware of that would make a difference... a true shielded cable that has a ground shield connection at one end only that is NOT connected to the signal ground in the cable.
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Old 16th August 2009, 02:10 PM   #12
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Are you sure it's the wire which has directionality or is it the insulation?

Cable directionality (aside from asymmetrical construction like a shield connected at one end or "termination" boxes) is actually a very easy one to structure a blind test with. One was actually put together a few years ago, but the claimant backed out.

Here's how to do it:

1. Get a reel of cable.

2. Reel off and cut agreed-on lengths of cable, carefully keeping track of direction.

3. Tag each cable with a tag that reads the same in either direction.

4. Take cable 1. Flip a coin. If it's heads, mark the "toward the inside of the reel" end. If it's tails, mark the "toward the outside of the reel" end. Note the cable ID and which end got the mark.

5. Repeat for a statistical number of cables (15 or so). Give the key sheet to a third party.

6. Now the claimant can take the cables home and using his (pronoun choice deliberate) own system, his own music, his own room, and taking his sweet old time, sort them into two groups by direction versus mark. There are noted on a score sheet which is then sent to the third party with the key.

7. The third party then announces the score and compares to random.

8. Claimant then can spend much time creating imaginative excuses and objections, spawning millions of keystrokes amongst the religiously offended.

Structure a test like this and I'll put money on the line, as long as the claimant does, too.

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As for different sound for a cable in different direction, there is only one case I am aware of that would make a difference... a true shielded cable that has a ground shield connection at one end only that is NOT connected to the signal ground in the cable.

I will give him the benefit that what you stated is what he was inferring :-) Different cabling does alter sonics, but direction of connection in and of itself, is not something that even I would say is audible :-)
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Old 16th August 2009, 05:08 PM   #14
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Hi Sy, this is good test, athough many cables have outside printings (manufacturer, cable type, etc.), which will give away the direction.

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Hi Sy, this is good test, athough many cables have outside printings (manufacturer, cable type, etc.), which will give away the direction.

I.e. they are already directional!
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I.e. they are already directional!

or at least the insulation is ?


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The initial post is just trolling, don't waste your time responding. This thread should be locked.
QFT.
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Do you mean ...

"Quantum Field Theory"

or

"Quoted for Truth"


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Old 16th August 2009, 07:32 PM   #19
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Structure a test like this and I'll put money on the line, as long as the claimant does, too.
The problem with the test is that the original wire you cut up was not broken in and thus it has no direction, or so someone who believes in such nonsense might say. So they will believe your test is invalid and they can go on believing that what they say is objective truth, even if they lost money. You can't win, SY, it is as pointless as arguing religion.
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Do you mean ...

"Quantum Field Theory"

or

"Quoted for Truth"


Andy
The second

If someone says "this is what I hear", though, I've learned not to argue with that. All I know is what I've heard/read/believe...and I'm not going to apply that to anyone else.
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