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Old 21st January 2009, 10:05 PM   #1
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Hey Panikos,

Nick is helping me out. I am going to audition an AT-440ML, which Nick is lending to me, to listen to in my system. This will give me the idea of what a Good AT MM sounds like. I have not heard any other MM in my system, besides a Grado, which we all know have their own unique sound. From all I have read thouigh, in general MM cartridges are supposedly More Warm sounding than MC Cartridges. MC= Zippy, Detailed, Airy, Bright... MM= Warm....Fuller Bass....More rich Midrange...but not as much extended High's or as fast paced as MC..

Am I right on this?? From what I gather though, the AT MM cartridges are not this way. But more close the a MC qualities, or behavior. As an example....what would you think of a Goldring 1012GX MM sound characteristics are???? And those of a Shure V15 MM??? Similar? And how would they differ from a HO MC like the OC9 or the Dynavector HOMC?? That is what I am experimenting with, thanks to Nick. I will let you know once it arrives. Thanks, Ray
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Old 21st January 2009, 10:42 PM   #2
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Hi Panikos
I have sent Ray my low hours 440ML for him to audition which may enlighten him one way of the other.Thanks for the rundown on the Nagaokas.. I remember them from my student days and am happy to see the revamped range.. Nagaoka is definitely a brand i will consider next time and your insights into the various models is much appreciated. The reviews I have read in Hi Fi worl are cerianly favorable.
I respectfully would say that Rays preamp will be the determiner of sound.. The sp9 is a hybrid preamp using silicone and 6dj8s for amplification. I personally have never liked the sound of a 6dj8 but that said .. its only my personal opinion on that.
I will wait with baited breath on how ray finds the 440ML...
To all .. Have a peacefull 2009
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Old 22nd January 2009, 02:57 AM   #3
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Hello Nick,Ray and all It is true that the AT440ML has the best price of all cartridges with a good stylus,let's hope you like it.I haven't heard a Goldring for a long time,but some very good comments are said about them.If it has a sound close to the shure v15III it must be good.I am using a typeIII from time to time myself,with SAS stylus,and I like it.Ray,you are mostly right on your comments regarding mm/mc comparison,although with careful loading,mc's can be warm and musical too.I always like to load my mc's with not much higher load than their impedance,around 10-15 times higher,I find it usually sufficient.Very high loading,almost always make mc's sound thin and bright,and I wonder with all the reviewers that like their sound with loads of 1K even more.Very kind of you Nick to give Ray such a great help
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Old 22nd January 2009, 04:38 AM   #4
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Hi Panikos.
These forums have been of great help to me through out the years and I have been able to learn about valves and get help to the point where I am OK at building stuff. Every now and then it is equally rewarding to help others. Share the love I say and help when you can
I certianly hope Ray answers his questions. Personally I think the 440 will be too bright even with messing with the capacitance and something warmer sound wise will balance out, with Rays preamp.
But we will see
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Old 3rd March 2009, 11:12 AM   #5
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Hey guys..
I have tried to contact, in the last week, RayR re the cartridge I lent him about 6 weeks ago .... but he hasnt replied to either of my 2 emails
Has anyone heard from him?
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Old 3rd March 2009, 04:11 PM   #6
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Hey guys,

I had alot of problems going on, by the time Nicks cartridge arrived in USA. And the USPS did not deliver it, and had no intentions on making a second attempt, since I wasn't home. I went to the PO and picked it up. But I have had alot of personal issues going on, in the meantime, most which I mad you aware of prior to sending the Cart, Nick. I just received your emails, in the past few days, 1 was today, the other was Sat, or Sun. Dont worry, I assured you that I wouldn'y rip you off, and I wont.

I didn't have the time I was hoping I would have had, due to personal problems. I did get load resistors, but didnt use them, I got alot of flack from Vinyl Forums, saying that my DB Systems Protractor, that I used from years ago, is no longer an accurate protractor. The one a guy emailed to me, didnt sound all that great....I didn't know there were so many alignment protractors nowadays.....I always thought that the ones that were sold, all achieved the same end result. But I will be sending the cartridge back to you as soon as I can, probably within 2 weeks. I appreciate your offering it to help me out, I didnt anticipate your AT150MLx breaking, as soon as you bought it, so this 440 never became after that, just a spare collecting dust, but something you needeed back more quickly. And it was all too rushed, so I will be sending it back the same way it came. Like I say, in a week or 2. Thank you Nick, for the offer, and help. Ray
I havent posted too often, only to ask questions regarding alignment protractors....things aren't so great here for me....poor timing I guess. Ray
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Old 3rd March 2009, 08:40 PM   #7
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Hi Ray
It is good to know that you are alright.
I am sorry for the dark tone to your reply.. normally I hear from you quickly , so since I hadnt heard from you I was wondering if anyone else had. That is all
I am a bit mystified by the way you have interpreted the few lines I wrote here.. if you look at the emails I sent, I was merely wondering what you had found re the sound of the cart as I am keen to know. I had sent you a copy of the Ortofon protractor.. did you get it?
I dont think you are skippping off to cuba with the cartridge.
I wil send you a personal email once i finish work.
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Old 3rd March 2009, 09:20 PM   #8
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Hi Nick,

Im sorry, if I am coming off as dark, its just my whole mood is dark right now. Ive had alot of lets just say...bad luck, lately. You did me a nice favor, and I appreciate that. So, I dont want that to be misunderstood. I also, trying to do all of this hastily, because of other things.....got all kinds of wierd info regarding my protractors, and the analog world of the past say, 10 years since Ive been dealing with a phono cartridge. I do remember you saying something about you having very good luck with an Ortofon Protractor, and a mthod of printing it out, and setting up the cartridge....but no, I dont have the Protractor. Again, I appreciate all you have done...and I know that you dont think I was goona rip off the cartridge......but I really havent been online in awhile, and I had only responded to threads in here, that I get an email notification about. Thanks, Ray
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Old 3rd March 2009, 09:26 PM   #9
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Ray,if health is ok,everything else can be fixed.Hope you are well.
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Old 3rd March 2009, 09:40 PM   #10
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Ray
As panikos said get the health thing right... I can wait longer if need be...
I will resend the email of the protractor..
Do what I do when it comes to all the theory regarding audiophilia..
Ignore IT!!!
the ortofon works for me and it should work for you.
So Ray, Please be easy on yourself and no one is thinking bad things about you..
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