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Old 7th July 2009, 01:57 PM   #11
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infinia - why the attitude? He's just having fun trying to make something and listen to it.

I've never been able to solder Alu, but you may have better luck than I!

Just having a bit of fun, guess i forgot the emoticon. But really i wanted to know about the difference between foils.

3M Cu tape can be had but not as cheaply.
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Old 7th July 2009, 02:52 PM   #12
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Oh yeah, I've got some of that tape. Not wide enough to do a cable, tho...
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Old 7th July 2009, 02:52 PM   #13
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Panomaniac- Your exactly right, by saying Im just having fun making something and listening to it. It's something I haven't done, and thought I'd give it a try.

454Casull- Yes capacitance crossed my mind, but as stated I am not putting huge money and time into this and if it doesnt work, then I can at least say its something I have done. I did think that having two layers of foil would create a bit more capacitance then normal, that could lead to potential treble loss. But, I chose to incorporate foil, because most conductors exhibit an effect called the skin effect.
Basically, the higher the frequency, the electrons only flow closer to the surface of the conductor and not through the centre, with this 'skin' becoming thinner with frequency increase. Granted though 20 KHz, the top limit of human hearing, the skin effect is still negligible. But, that is my reason for incorporating foil into the design, and if that has any effect it will help to work against any unwanted capacitance. And if it does have slightly increased capacitance, then it will have a lower inductance, and given the reason mentioned earlier, this should hopefully make it more neutral throughout the entire frequency range.

infinia- I spent a good deal of time finding the right foil, finally found a half used roll in the back of the pantry so that should be good enough.

I have uploaded an annotated photo, taken at two points during construction, for those interested. The below link is to a photo of the completed cables, but without the final layer of insulation and plugs. To get the braiding I stripped an old mic lead and removed the braiding by bunching it up, then put it on my cables and stretched it out again. The little black bits seen through the braiding are just small tabs of insulation tape to hold the foil wrap together.

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Old 8th July 2009, 06:57 AM   #14
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Well I have finished them, and I am rather surprised at the result. The biggest difference is extended bass response. I would say the highs are a lot clearer as well, but that could be due to psychoacoustics, but overall I do like them a lot better than what I have, which are just generic rca leads.
I don't have an extensively elaborate system, but its adequate for my needs. I play files from my computer (all are 256 kbps or above) and from the computer I run an optical cable into a digital sony dolby decoder, and then straight into my amp which is a Craft Audio CA1, and my speakers are old B&W DM2A's, and I also run a 150W active 12" sub that I built.

I normally run the sub at +3 dB as I felt that gave a smoother more balanced sound, and I had a 2 dB boost in treble from 14 KHz up (The sony unit has a quasi parametric eq). Since using these cables I have made I now bypass the eq altogether and also run the sub at 0 dB, so for me, it was totally worth it and I am very happy with the result
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454Casull- Yes capacitance crossed my mind, but as stated I am not putting huge money and time into this and if it doesnt work, then I can at least say its something I have done. I did think that having two layers of foil would create a bit more capacitance then normal, that could lead to potential treble loss. But, I chose to incorporate foil, because most conductors exhibit an effect called the skin effect.
Basically, the higher the frequency, the electrons only flow closer to the surface of the conductor and not through the centre, with this 'skin' becoming thinner with frequency increase. Granted though 20 KHz, the top limit of human hearing, the skin effect is still negligible.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

Simply use a Litz-type construction consisting of 20AWG or smaller conductors.

EDIT: Holy crap, just realized you are talking about interconnects, not speaker wire. The vast majority of RCA cables use conductors that do not suffer from the skin effect at audible frequencies (probably >30 kHz, even), due to their low thickness.
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Old 8th July 2009, 09:22 AM   #16
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Yeah I realise that, but either way I am happy with the result. I did not spend much time or money on them and for the small expense I feel it is well justified. I did not put long thought into the construction, just a quick design out of my head that took various things into account, wether beneficial or not
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