"Murky area with regard to forum policy"

mrfeedback · 20th March 2003, 06:45 PM

This issue has arisen because of a member asking advice regarding repairs to his television.
Previous Thread

I bring to attention that pretty much all modern equipment nowadays has a disclaimer label saying "refer servicing to qualified personnel only".
Presumably anybody who is not fully qualified that disregards this notification is taking any liability on their own cognizance.

I know that it is rare on this forum for questions regarding servicing advice wrt items like televisions to arise, but on the other hand all sorts of advices are given regarding 240V wiring, and on the face of it, this is equally dangerous and similar precautions are in order.

So, what are the legal liability and forum policy stances regarding issues such as these ?.

Eric / - Been servicing tvs for years and still in one piece.

BTW the member who asked the questions regarding the vertical problem in his TV was able to resolve the fault with my advice, and rigourously is still alive and well, and able to email and thank me for my assistance.

Christer · 20th March 2003, 08:38 PM

Good point, Eric. What about requiring every new member to
read and accept a safety disclaimer text that briefly discusses
the potential hazards, including that also voltages on the
secondary side can be lethal, that even if you pull the plug there
can be lethal voltages in capacitors etc. I don't know what
juridical bearing such a text would have, but it will at least
remind people that we are dealing with dangerous things.

Tube_Dude · 20th March 2003, 10:03 PM

Quote:

I know that it is rare on this forum for questions regarding servicing advice wrt items like televisions to arise, but on the other hand all sorts of advices are given regarding 240V wiring, and on the face of it, this is equally dangerous and similar precautions

And we can not forgot that some SE valve amplifiers work with 1.000 volts in the HT suplly...and 500 volts is comum in tube amplifiers...
From some posts i reach the conclusion that many people don't have a minimum of knowlage of electronic theory...
This two conditions together may become a hazardous cocktail...

till · 20th March 2003, 10:19 PM

Its the same virus of ridiculous behavior the mods have shown at the peace thread and others. It was a bad mistake to install this moderating thing. No we have aome kind of goverment that annoys us. How to get rid of this ?

What is playing around with a TV else than diyvideo??? Since i do this audio stuff i followed the advice to buy a scope - ok - now they are two, one is defect and i play around in the inside of it. It has 24kV. If i die because of this its only my problem - and is not related to anyone in this board.

SY · 20th March 2003, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by till
Its the same virus of ridiculous behavior the mods have shown at the peace thread and others. It was a bad mistake to install this moderating thing. No we have aome kind of goverment that annoys us. How to get rid of this ?

Easy. Start your own Bulletin Board.

Fred Dieckmann · 20th March 2003, 11:47 PM

No we have aome kind of goverment that annoys us. How to get rid of this ?

If I didn't know better, I'd think you were advocating a regime change.........

Like in any society, rules exist and need people to enforce them. I think the moderators are remarkable even handed, considering the stuff some of the forum members try to get away with........

till · 20th March 2003, 11:53 PM

i don´t belive you wrote exactly what you think but i bet you think right....

AudioFreak · 21st March 2003, 01:37 AM

As established earlier, TV servicing / modification / repairs etc are not to be discussed on these forums. That position is final.

AudioFreak
diyAudio Moderator.

Jason · 21st March 2003, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Easy. Start your own Bulletin Board.

pml

...and no, i don't really want my *** sued for providing a well intentioned (presently) non-profit service to the community.

setmenu · 21st March 2003, 11:40 AM

Hmm,seems to me rather than just closing down threads making
inquiries into the 'subject'

something a Little more
reasoned my be required.
The main inspiration of my closed thread was wishing to understand more about why another thread was closed!
I wished to Learn about the subject in question.

I personally have no interest in working on CRTs But now understand a little more about the hazards involved in doing so.
I merely asked about the voltages inside not how to modify
anything.
The content of the replies seemed to be warnings and information related
to voltage risks /fire etc.

Perhaps a 'hazards of... ' thread would provide a more informed
way of discouraging work on potentially dangerous devices.
And encourage good working practices in general.

Then again one could always set a thread voltage limit

anything below =OK anything above =Banned!

Anyway Diyaudio.com is great

Cheers

Setmenu

20th March 2003, 06:45 PM	#1
mrfeedback diyAudio Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Perth, Australia.	"Murky area with regard to forum policy" This issue has arisen because of a member asking advice regarding repairs to his television. Previous Thread I bring to attention that pretty much all modern equipment nowadays has a disclaimer label saying "refer servicing to qualified personnel only". Presumably anybody who is not fully qualified that disregards this notification is taking any liability on their own cognizance. I know that it is rare on this forum for questions regarding servicing advice wrt items like televisions to arise, but on the other hand all sorts of advices are given regarding 240V wiring, and on the face of it, this is equally dangerous and similar precautions are in order. So, what are the legal liability and forum policy stances regarding issues such as these ?. Eric / - Been servicing tvs for years and still in one piece. BTW the member who asked the questions regarding the vertical problem in his TV was able to resolve the fault with my advice, and rigourously is still alive and well, and able to email and thank me for my assistance. __________________ I believe not to believe in any fixed belief system.

20th March 2003, 11:47 PM	#6
Fred Dieckmann diyAudio Retiree Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Spain or the pueblo of Los Angeles	Demoracy is the worst form of goverment except for all the others. No we have aome kind of goverment that annoys us. How to get rid of this ? If I didn't know better, I'd think you were advocating a regime change......... Like in any society, rules exist and need people to enforce them. I think the moderators are remarkable even handed, considering the stuff some of the forum members try to get away with........

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20th March 2003, 08:38 PM	#2
Christer diyAudio Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden	Good point, Eric. What about requiring every new member to read and accept a safety disclaimer text that briefly discusses the potential hazards, including that also voltages on the secondary side can be lethal, that even if you pull the plug there can be lethal voltages in capacitors etc. I don't know what juridical bearing such a text would have, but it will at least remind people that we are dealing with dangerous things.

20th March 2003, 10:19 PM	#4
till Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany, Clausthal	Its the same virus of ridiculous behavior the mods have shown at the peace thread and others. It was a bad mistake to install this moderating thing. No we have aome kind of goverment that annoys us. How to get rid of this ? What is playing around with a TV else than diyvideo??? Since i do this audio stuff i followed the advice to buy a scope - ok - now they are two, one is defect and i play around in the inside of it. It has 24kV. If i die because of this its only my problem - and is not related to anyone in this board.

20th March 2003, 11:53 PM	#7
till Banned Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany, Clausthal	i don´t belive you wrote exactly what you think but i bet you think right....

21st March 2003, 01:37 AM	#8
AudioFreak Warp Engineer On Holiday Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Queensland, Australia	As established earlier, TV servicing / modification / repairs etc are not to be discussed on these forums. That position is final. AudioFreak diyAudio Moderator.

21st March 2003, 11:40 AM	#10
setmenu diyAudio Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: UK	Hmm,seems to me rather than just closing down threads making inquiries into the 'subject' something a Little more reasoned my be required. The main inspiration of my closed thread was wishing to understand more about why another thread was closed! I wished to Learn about the subject in question. I personally have no interest in working on CRTs But now understand a little more about the hazards involved in doing so. I merely asked about the voltages inside not how to modify anything. The content of the replies seemed to be warnings and information related to voltage risks /fire etc. Perhaps a 'hazards of... ' thread would provide a more informed way of discouraging work on potentially dangerous devices. And encourage good working practices in general. Then again one could always set a thread voltage limit anything below =OK anything above =Banned! Anyway Diyaudio.com is great Cheers Setmenu

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