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Old 22nd May 2008, 06:15 AM   #11
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No doubt, cd is cleaner, less noisy, easier to handle. But I love playing LP.
By the same token - I use digital camera only for selling on ebay. Went back to film.
Nothing caresses the hand and eye like a 35mm slr, metal body. The digital stuff feels like crap compared to that. And no autofocus either.

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Old 22nd May 2008, 06:46 AM   #12
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Hi audio-kraut

You would like to have a photo of a baby crying (say, your baby).
1. Home Film Photo with a Kodak instant camera from 70ies.
2. Home Film Photo with an expensive SLR.
3. Home Digital Photo with a dirty cheap Digital Camera
4. Home Digital Photo with an expensive SLR Digital Camera.
5. Bringing baby at a Photo Studio, having baby cry there and having a photo taken with the super Studio Camera.
A. Which one you may enjoy probably most after some years?
B. Which one your wife may enjoy probably most after some years?

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Old 22nd May 2008, 07:21 AM   #13
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You would like to have a photo of a baby crying (say, your baby).

Is the baby crying after listening to poorly mastered cds?
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Old 22nd May 2008, 08:00 AM   #14
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I like steam engines too, but not for going to work.

Every day I used to carry a screw-mount Leica. A beautiful, beautiful camera. I remember it with such nostalgia. It wore a hole in my pocket.

Now I have a Canon G9.

Old record decks are great, and should be preserved - in museums.

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Old 22nd May 2008, 10:29 AM   #15
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To all, I only started this thread to pass on something that I noticed after 30 years. The LP records just seem to have something the CD's just left out. Granted the sound is quieter and has less distortion on a CD player it is just that the records seem to portray more of what the artist intended for you to hear.

Nelson Pass has been trying -- and succeeding -- to produce music through equipment with very minimal numbers of active devices. Maybe that is the key to this. Everyone is aware of how many active circuits are in a CD player as well as the studio recording equipment. A vinyl album is transferring directly from a mechanical groove. I do not presume to know the answer to this. Just my observation. Tad
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Old 22nd May 2008, 03:12 PM   #16
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Old record decks are great, and should be preserved
In as many homes as possible.

I don't take pictures of ugly, crying babies...who wants 'em?

The best result is the quality from a studio camera. Thats not the point,

The endresult is most likeley equally enjoyable, no matter by what camera it is taken. I enjoy the act of creating a picture..

And creating a picture - thinking how to approach a scene, to decide what to show with it, the selection of the lenses, and the "feel" of a slr film camera when doing it - is for me more enjoyable with a old style camera.
For practical purposes - digital hotography is fine, as is playing cd....
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Old 23rd May 2008, 10:33 PM   #17
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Hi all

In post #10 I tried to make a point on the fact that an artistically satisfying musical work is robust enough to withstand technical abuse of various kinds and intentions which are to intervene during the recording, mastering, re-mastering, reproduction steps.

A great such example would be Verdi’s “la Traviata” live performance May 28,1955 (opening at La Scala Milano: Visconti, Giulini, Callas, Di Stefano, Bastianini), a recording imprinted in a 2 CD set (EMI CLASSICS 724356645028, mono).
No other “la Traviata” recording , either Callas’s or other soprano’s that I have in my collection can excite me most. Yet, the sound quality is one of the worst that one can find in a commercial release.

I still search for a vinyl recording of this performance just to compare.

I have success with some Callas other performances, and the vinyl recordings always win over CD releases from a certain brand, but are par to par with other’s brand CD releases, as well as my amateur CD transfers from vinyl.


In post #12 I tried to touch the subject of “human-equipment” relationship that builds up over the years. This can alter our judgment of the equipment reproduction capabilities in various ways (that’s why there is the third person’s –wife- opinion to be asked).

There were also notes on the subject of equipment price, availability and ease of use.


I am with Conrad Hoffman on all he wrote in this thread.
It is my understanding too that it is the human manipulation during mastering/ remastering, rather than technological limitations that can make CDs sound uninspiring relative to PLs.

I do not think that gross generalization in the form “Vinyl is better than CD” can be of any credit.

If one is to draw any conclusion, he has to compare CDs and LPs of the same recording only, and then try his own CD transfers from vinyl.

What I do, is to use both “formats” to enjoy music. When I find what I want in second-hand vinyl, I buy it.
It is almost always 3-4 times cheaper than the new CD transfer.

If it is the other way round, I opt for the CD. (I miss the LP cover though!)


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…That’s not the point, the end result is most likely equally enjoyable, no matter by what camera it is taken. I enjoy the act of creating a picture..
Yes for the photography and yes for the audio (enjoy the act of listening)

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Old 24th May 2008, 10:09 AM   #18
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I really like the comment you made concerning the album cover. The fact that many early performers spent countless hours and dollars on the covers was just another little piece of the experience offered by that period in time.
Even today some early lp covers are fetching large sums of money to collectors.

I am still very happy cd came along. I never was able to get my turntable to work right in the car. Tad

Do you ever consider what is next -- perhaps DVD format recordings the size of quarters.
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Album cover design was part of the promotion campaign.
Drafters, photographers, graphic designers, art directors, writers, commenters, musicians themselves, all participated in the outcome.
Their work was printed on the cover, along with their names.

The album producer knew that cover would be an eye catcher at record stores, a source of information for the purchaser, as well as a piece of “consumer’s art”.

Packaging is a subject of Industrial Design (Product Gestaltung), and I find it hard to explain why today’s CDs producers are missing the point.

May be today’s customers just don’t need such things.

Current generation just Googles when in need for information and just watches a promotional video at music channels when in need for arts.

That’s it. Times are a changing and we have our share to that.

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Old 31st May 2008, 09:56 PM   #20
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Johnny Rotten interview, wait until he speaks about cd's vs lp's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FIwFr8n8as

I just can't resist to buy turntable after watching this
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