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Old 11th March 2008, 03:18 PM   #11
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Alcohol consumption points up a curious oversight having to do with this hobby... or most hobbies really. There seems to be little interest in the physiological side of the equation. Pages of debate to be found on the sonic merits of soldering compounds and technique, but what about the effects of heavy metals or hard alcohol on the sensory hair cells of the inner ear?

Somewhere right this minute is a guy who's spent half his paycheck on a new carburator and high performance air filter for his classic Ford Mustang, then half the day lovingly assembling it.. and stepping back with an unfiltered Camel cigarette to admire his work. Why are we like this?

Judging by the amount of attention paid to it the ear and its circuitry would seem to be the least important link in the chain of events having to do with high fidelity reproduction. It is seldom mentioned after all when audio enthusiasts discuss their hobby. Perhaps it is assumed that it is so complex and beyond our ability to change/regulate/tinker with/protect that it is not to be considered. But this is becoming less true as we learn more about diet and drug interactions and other environmental risks to be considered.

... and yes, this is mentally careening off in a bad direction
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Old 2nd June 2008, 11:32 AM   #13
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I started taking Piracetam initially in an attempt to reduce the symptoms of adult onset ADD (and it is useful in that respect, providing about as much benefit as Ritalin though both together is better).

A bit of background first, I am 49, I have not been kind to my ears and I think it's fair to say that I must be genetically gifted to not be stone deaf given the abuse I've subjected my ears to.

When I was in high school, next door neighbors were part of a rock band, they practiced in their basement, I usually hung out during practices, about 2kw worth of audio amplifiers in a room that was maybe 14x25 feet or so.

I had a 70 watt/ch stereo back then, I took the attenuating resistors out of the headphone jack so the headphones could get full power.

I did sound reinforcement for various local events using a system with a total power of 500 watts but very efficient speakers, occasionally I would rent a second amp and run 500 watts/channel (speakers were Sun model 15's for anyone who might be familiar, two 15 inch horn loaded woofers, a horn loaded midrange, and horn loaded piezo tweeters, not the best fidelity but very efficient).

I worked for PNB, had to put in nine months as an operator, after which they tested my hearing and was surprised there was no loss as apparently that was a common problem with the loud annunciator tones and occasionally overamplified connections.

I got to where music sounded muddy unless I had the highes boosted by 15db; went to 170 watts/channel so I had a bit more power to do that but kept frying even robust tweeters.

I first began to suspect Piracetam might be improving my hearing about three months after taking it. I was walking up a hill next to a cemetary near my home when I heard a conversation quite clearly and loudly, yet, I looked around and could not see anyone. I began to think I was either hearing ghosts or having auditory hallucinations but then noticed a couple people in the street three blocks away. After watching them it became clear THEY were the people I was hearing but it sounded like they were ten feet away not three blocks. Not much competing noise with the cemetary there.

I had previously had my hearing tested and it rolled off sharply in the high frequencies and 14 Khz was about the limit of what I could hear at all, it was way down in the mud.

I noticed that I wasn't cranking up the highs as much on the stereo and eventually got to a point where things sounded most natural with the equalization set flat. I noticed I hadn't popped a tweater in a long time and I was still using the same make and model I used to fry with great regularity (Vifa D25AG-35-06). I had partially settled on this model because the voice coil / diaphram assembly was readily replacable and reasonably cheap which made my tweeter frying habits more affordable.

I got around to having my hearing retested, can now hear to 17 Khz except for a notch at 15.75 Khz (used to work on TV's a lot so I think I just cooked the neurons and/or hairs associated with flyback frequency beyond repair). The notch is quite narrow and not noticable except when tested.

Moreover, in the lower portion of the high frequencies I've picked up aroudn 15 db of sensitivity, which explains why I no longer feel the need to boost the highs so greatly.

At the time all this went on there was no documentation that I could find regarding hearing and piracetam, but now there are studies, though most involve sudden not gradual hearing loss and intravenous not oral administration. None the less, I'm good anecdotal evidence for effectiveness against gradual loss with long term oral administration
(mostly 2400 mg/day divided into three 800mg doses).

Incidentally, while other 'racetams might be more potent, there effects are not equal, and Piracetam has been shown to be better than many in terms of neural regeneration so other more potent 'racetams may not be preferable if neural regeneration is the mechanism for hearing improvement.

I've never suffered from tinitus except when I've had a high fever (around 102F or higher) or immediately after being exposed to loud noises (M-100 going off) so I can't comment on it's effect on tinitus, but I've seen studies that showed improvement in tinitus symptoms with Piracetam.
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Old 2nd June 2008, 01:41 PM   #14
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One day, I noticed a significant improvement in my tinnitus. I've used N-acetylcysteine before to try to improve my hearing, but recently, I've been using piracetam almost every day and wondered if that helped my tinnitus. I noticed that using piracetam regularly lessens or eliminates hangovers and seems to have improved my balance, too. I found this at PubMed. It seems to support my findings with hearing. You can get piracetam on Ebay. superior_nutraceuticals seems to be reliable (100% positive feedback). I bought 2 bottles from them without any problems.


Hi 7n7is

How do you take it i.e. what dosage?

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