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Old 25th January 2008, 11:41 PM   #31
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Not much. If you use a credit card it goes through paypal and you lose the ability to go after the person who took your money

When you are talking about a individual who is not truly in business all you can do is small claims court. I am not sure if you have to go to a court where they live or not though.
9 times out of ten though the following phrase applies though.
You you can't get blood from a turnipe.


A business is a bit diffrent. The first to do if you don't wait to long and if you used a credit card is contact credit card company. They will do it for you or have you sign a apadavid. Basically You are signing a legal document saying they stoled your money.

The tricky thing is you can't wait to long.

But unfortunately with ebay you are up a creek without a paddle.

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Old 26th January 2008, 12:13 AM   #32
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Though an affidavit may contain an explaination of why it may have taken some time (such as the company asked you to wait) and you should have evidentiary support of this.
 
Old 26th January 2008, 01:15 AM   #33
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How am I to send him something from a lawyer, I have no address for him and no currant phone #? I live in Canada which makes it a little more difficult. Maybe all of us ripped off could pool together to hire a lawyer that lives in welbornes state, wherever that is? In the meantime I have emailed Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) and have posted my experiance along with others. Next step I am going to email all the manufactures and companys that supply welborne and tell them my story and links to others, maybe they will think twice about supplying welborn with their products.
 
Old 26th January 2008, 08:36 AM   #34
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How am I to send him something from a lawyer, I have no address for him and no currant phone #? I live in Canada which makes it a little more difficult. Maybe all of us ripped off could pool together to hire a lawyer that lives in welbornes state, wherever that is? In the meantime I have emailed Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) and have posted my experiance along with others. Next step I am going to email all the manufactures and companys that supply welborne and tell them my story and links to others, maybe they will think twice about supplying welborn with their products.

Whatever you do along these lines, you HAVE to provide ONLY FACTS. No hearsay, supposition, etc. only facts supported by documentary evidence.

Otherwise it will be you in court on libel and deformation charges !!
 
Old 26th January 2008, 10:39 AM   #35
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Otherwise it will be you in court on libel and deformation charges !!
Even if the hearsay were only uttered within the walls of the court?

Certainly you'd be standing there without a case, embarrassing enough as it is but if you were to employ a solicitor, you wouldn't find yourself in that position.
 
Old 26th January 2008, 01:34 PM   #36
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apadavid
currant
stoled
deformation charges

man thanks for the chuckles...

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Old 26th January 2008, 03:31 PM   #37
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deformation
What happens when you get hit with a baseball bat !!



I noticed the error about 5 mins after posting ...then thought 'what the heck..', it's spelled better than some !!
 
Old 26th January 2008, 03:53 PM   #38
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So what can be done to privates
You mean to his "privates?"...thats worth consideration in this case...

BTW - if you pay through paypal, you can enter a claim for the money to be refunded, as no goods have been received in return for payment.

I had to do this once for ebay purchases (>400 transactions). So - don't **** on ebay, its usually better than some disgruntled -or incompetent - purchasers and sellers maintain.
 
Old 26th January 2008, 05:20 PM   #39
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BTW - if you pay through paypal, you can enter a claim for the money to be refunded, as no goods have been received in return for payment.

I had to do this once for ebay purchases (>400 transactions). So - don't **** on ebay, its usually better than some disgruntled -or incompetent - purchasers and sellers maintain.
I've been screwed on eBay transactions more than once.. one time with an $850 transaction. After well over a year of trying, their BS 'system' got me no where. IC3 didn't get me anywhere either. A guy just finally called my house and said the theif was supposedly in jail for other fraud, and that there was nothing I could do. I later came across the guy's name who called me via internet searches, and it turned out that he was a basically a thief as well, with A LOT of complaints. So, I doubt what I was told by that man was true. Before that, the local police of the area that the scammer lived wouldn't do anything to help me either. In fact, I was treated very rudely. I finally gave up and just had to let it go.

It's amazing what people can still get away with.
It's not like web based transactions are something new.
 
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I've been screwed on eBay transactions more than once..
I am sorry for you, but have you considered that the fault may be partly with you - by purchasing from less reputable sellers?
I refuse to buy from

1. someone with more then 2% negative feedback
2. a newcomer when the item is more than 100$
3. someone who obviously describes the item incorrectly, doesn't name the model or manufacturer correctly and is unwilling to clear up his misspelling.
4. someone who as a seller does not have a paypal account.

I have been trading on ebay since about 2000.

You have to do a risk assessment.
I only pay with paypal so I can cancel the transaction through the very well working paypal dispute resolution.
So, with way over 40 000$ worth of ebay transactions, mostly as buyer, I have only about two cases worth about 100$ where I had to take a loss, and recovery was simply more time and agony than it was worth.

The only incident where the transaction was over 300$, the culprit was the mail service which was unable to forward the parcel correctly and it wound up back with the shipper.
 

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