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Originally posted by mrfeedback
Steve,
Well, yeah this is what we are on about.
Do you find any subjective differing directional results ?.
If you do, then there must be a physical reason, yeah ?.
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Well, I guess since my brain is a physical entity and all of my subjective perceptions are due to electrochemical processess going on in my brain, there is ultimately a "physical" reason. But that's not what I'm referring to when I say "physical."
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I meant changing polarity of input and output connections together in order conserve throughput polarity, but invert wire and transformer core polarity.
I do use my DPDT transformer arrangement so that I can easily select AP at my speakers, but that was not my question.
BTW - are you saying that you cannot hear AP ?.
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I don't know one way or the other whether absolute phase is audible. I was simply pointing out that if you were changing absolute polarity, then you'd be adding another variable other than any directionality of the conductor.
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These differences were not subtle.
Go and read the thread that Frank refers to above and you will be clearer on what we mean.
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I know what you mean.
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Double blind testing is typically worth less than a pinch of you know what, because of unfamiliarity with system variables - A/B testing blind or not is perfectly valid on a very familiar home system.
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Yet people have done blind A/B testing in their own homes, with their own very familiar systems over periods of weeks and even months. And even during the listening sessions, they claim the differences are still not subtle. Yet when you look at the results, they're no better than if they had simply guessed randomly.
Just because you subjectively perceive a difference that you consider to be "not subtle" doesn't prove that the perceived difference has any reality beyond your own mind.
Even those taking the "sugar pill" in blind trials of medications report "not subtle" improvements in their condition. And every quack and charlatan can produce individuals who give wholly sincere testimonials.
I think you rather grossly underestimate the power of mind.
Check the listings of your local PBS station tonight and see if they're airing Scientific American Frontiers. Tonight's episode is about just what we're talking about here.
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I am perfectly concious of what my ears communicate, and I am perfectly familiar with interpreting this information under all sorts of conditions.
How exactly can your mind be sub-concious ?.
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Well, we'd all like to beleive we are perfectly conscious of such things. But you don't really KNOW unless you take measures to filter out the effects of the subconcious mind as well as external influences.
As to HOW our mind comes to operate at a subconscious level isn't so easily explained. However the existence of the subconscious mind and its influences over our conscious mind have been well established for quite a long time.
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Fine fair enough point.
In my younger years I read the brocures, and believed the spiels to be true.
When the salesman plugged in say, 'Monster cables', and said "Hear that better bass ?" etc, upon that power of suggestion, I did.
On subsequent learning, and far greater experience, I now do not pay the merest heed to such suggestion.
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But the suggestion doesn't have to come from a brochure or a salesman telling you there's some difference or other. The suggestion can come from your subconscious mind simply anticipating the possibility of some difference.
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In my formative years, I did indeed perform experiments, and automatically considered them to be beneficial.
In later experimenting, I have learned that one can make very fine audible differences, but these are not always beneficial fine differences, especially with long term listening.
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Well PREFERENCE is a whole other matter and has nothing to do with what we're talking about here.
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I thought that you were asserting that the claims of C37 and Tubolator cannot be true, or indeed possible ?.
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I don't recall saying anything about C37 or Tubolator. When was this?
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I do not swallow weird claims either, but I do studty the claims, reviews and information given, in order to sort the wheat from the chaff.
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Yet apparently you don't like it when others don't unquestioningly swallow your claims.
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Within my experience, I fully expect that C37 and Tubolator do affect/effect system sound, however based on my experience, I am not sure that the effect is particularly significant, nor entirely likeable - this requires personal experience of these products, and that I do not have, and my soloution is quite different.
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Again, I don't recall saying anything about C37 or Tubolator.
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Re: Feel The Bass....
for that picture steve - i've been looking for it for a long time to help me make a point or two!
