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Old 23rd February 2003, 08:41 PM   #31
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Default hello old boy

Peter!

I agree with your thoughts about which system is currently operating. At the moment, I'm listening to a bit of ambient music (epitonic.com)...on crappy mass-market PC speakers...and the source is a humble mp3 stream.

The fidelity is better than an old 8-transistor AM radio, but the pleasant company of the music is what it's all about.

On the other side of this coin, if I would listen to the source CD of this recording on a proper system, the experience would be entirely different.

A similar comparison would be a digital camera snapshot of the view of the ocean here: yes, the image resembles reality, but if I take the time to shoot the same image with my trusty Hasselblad, the resulting image is far closer to the real thing. The process is more costly, and takes more time, just like the DIY process we all share.

At least the maker of these wee speakers isn't trying to convince me that the resulting sound is audio nirvana...nor are they offering convenient financing for their product...hehehehehe.

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Old 23rd February 2003, 08:46 PM   #32
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Hi,

Bob, wouldn't you agree that the digital camera sucks the art part out of photography?

Hasselblad....yummie.

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Old 23rd February 2003, 10:29 PM   #33
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Hey Frank,

All I have to say is:

01000110010100110011001110011010101101100110101010
01100111100101110110101100101011110010010100100100
01010010010010010011101000100101001101010100101001

Wow! Such color and resolution!

hehe

Here we are 25 years later...and disc photography (remember those little cameras with film cartridges like View Master discs?) has yet to be surpassed in terms of image quality...at least when it comes to digital. The baseline resolution is getting better, as more pixels appear (and memory requirements grow).

Though I must agree digital is quite useful for photojournalism.
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Old 23rd February 2003, 10:45 PM   #34
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Here we are 25 years later...and disc photography (remember those little cameras with film cartridges like View Master discs?) has yet to be surpassed in terms of image quality...at least when it comes to digital. The baseline resolution is getting better, as more pixels appear (and memory requirements grow).
I think digital quality can't be beat personally. And yes.. i have seen very good examples of both


again objective vs. subjective
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Old 24th February 2003, 03:17 AM   #35
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wouldn't you agree that the digital camera sucks the art part out of photography?
Not at all... digital cameras are bringing new ways of expressing art ... and some, as below, will/are revolutionizing the art form and bringing access to a much wider range of artists.

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Old 24th February 2003, 05:06 AM   #36
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Not at all... digital cameras are bringing new ways of expressing art ... and some, as below, will/are revolutionizing the art form and bringing access to a much wider range of artists.
Like what? Amateur porn?
these are probably the only people that can afford it.
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Old 24th February 2003, 05:46 AM   #37
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Like what?
2 of them on the way to build the prototype camera for HD3D for making 3D films. The price for these is plumeting. $1M 2-3 years ago, you can buy the budget Panasonic for under $35k now. Prices will keep dropping. 4 or 5 years from now they will represent your basic consumer digicam.

This unit represents the high end, but the low-end is now less than $1k and we have kids with their iMacs & their parents digital camcorders producing serious movies.

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flat response?
what is flat response? flat to ears? flat to an oscillopscope?

most systems i hear today (being called upon to help various friends choose components I ge to do quit a bit of listening) are desgined to impress. This includes some brands that most would consider "audiophile".

Then in the interest in protecting the way these systems sound (usually what I wold consider an over extended HF response) the manufacturers claim that they are trying to attain a flat frequency response. It leads me to believe that we do not really need a flat frequency response, over a long term such response can be actually irritating to the ear, and that most ochestras and other forms of non amplified music (this includes pianos, triangles, piccolos, and musical instruments that are capable of some very high frequencies) do no need a ruler flat response to 20+ kHz to be enjoyed.

The only yardstick to judge a system I can find is live music played in a preferably non amplified enviroment.
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I bought a digital camera recently, and I'm really glad I didn't trade in my real camera to help pay for it. Yes, it's convenient, and I get instant feedback as to whether the shot worked, but then, I need it because it's a whole lot less forgiving than film. Goodness only knows what my comments would be if I had a Hasselblad rather than a Nikon.
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I bought a digital camera recently, and I'm really glad I didn't trade in my real camera to help pay for it.
Consumer digital cameras are way behind their analog counterparts in quality terms (hmmm ... a parallel ) and are good mostly for web resolution. They are real picky about the light, and not very good at motion capture.

Even the big buck digital cameras won't go head-to-head with the big-bucks analog cameras.

In movies the score is a little different (particularily in 3D). Things like digital compositing with digital effects, higher temporal resolution, and no wear on the prints are leading quality factors. Cost factors are major too, where the time to feedback can be a huge cost saver, and the cost of storage media (something like a 1000:1)

An original 70mm analog print will smoke any digital movie (except for 3D), but that is like having a collection of original master tapes for your hifi... it just aint gonna happen (very often).

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