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Old 18th April 2007, 02:46 AM   #11
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AH SO!

The "standard" vacuous response of a die-hard subjectivist.

Your troll-fu is weak today mikeks, and it's obvious from the thread's title troll was the intent, but I'll bite. I do find it amusing so many of the realist/scientific replies here, as the title, have been ad hominems and essentially anti-science. Anyone care to focus on the article's content, or is this going to be another pseudo-science strut? Just want to know the rules going in.
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Old 18th April 2007, 02:46 AM   #12
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HEEEELLLLLLLL NO!
You mean, if you don't like the sound of a piece of equipment, but it measures better, that you'll keep it?
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Old 18th April 2007, 02:54 AM   #13
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HEEEELLLLLLLL NO!
Assuming this response was directed at my assertion that everyone is a die-hard subjectivist, I'll expand my thought.

Whether you're choosing by listening, looking at cosmetics, reading glossy mags, reviewing measurements or any other thing you can think of, the fact is that YOU are involved in the choosing and that is automatically subject to your own ideas, knowledge and most importantly BIASES. It's subjective! One can be influenced just as much by the look of the measurements as they can by a thick faceplate or a glossy ad or a novel length magazine review.

The most "die-hard" of subjectivists are the ones who think they aren't subjectivists!

EDIT: I'll add that I look on many wild claims with as much contempt as anyone, but I'm not fooling myself that this somehow makes me objective.
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Old 18th April 2007, 02:58 AM   #14
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Guys, stop quarreling and let's organize a group buy for CD demagnitizer
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Old 18th April 2007, 03:00 AM   #15
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Anyone care to focus on the article's content, or is this going to be another pseudo-science strut? Just want to know the rules going in.

Seems to me the article is mocking consumers who buy the products mentioned. If I could get $3800.00 for a 1 metre "interconnect" I'd be making them night and day, and would not waste my time feeling sorry for the guy who thinks it"s superior. There are such extremes in everything though, not just audio.
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Old 18th April 2007, 03:02 AM   #16
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Guys, stop quarreling and let's organize a group buy for CD demagnitizer

That's almost as funny as unobtainium
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Old 18th April 2007, 03:28 AM   #17
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Seems to me the article is mocking consumers who buy the products mentioned. If I could get $3800.00 for a 1 metre "interconnect" ....
I completely agree. It was done however using anecdotes, factual inaccuracies, and cherry picking extremes to represent common practice (how many $3800 interconnect owners do you know?), and in general purported to represent a point of view 'rooted a little more in reality' in an embarrassingly unscientific manner. It was hypocritical. On that point, little I saw in his bio gives him the right to weigh in on these matters so authoritatively, so why is it being accepted at face value? On agreement with its sentiments? Science is a method guys, not a popularity contest.

Who here, for example, really believes 'audiophools' use RCA instead of XLR for subjective reasons or plating? RCA connector use is based in historical precedent and the irony is it's typically very high end gear which includes a balanced option, usually mocked as overkill and unnecessary 'audiophoolery' in the home. Damned, do or don't if you're on the wrong side of the argument apparently. And what would Mr. Emmerson think of the very common silver - yes, SILVER! - plated XLRs littering studios around the world? He'ld no doubt drop dead at discovering the number of professional studios full of 'audiophool' cable, amplifiers, and speakers.
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Old 18th April 2007, 03:44 AM   #18
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Who here, for example, really believes 'audiophools' use RCA instead of XLR for subjective reasons or plating? RCA connector use is based in historical precedent

XLR is the professional standard. RCA is the HiFi standard, it's on practically every component ever made. Audiophiles like to mix and match components to achieve the golden sound. As far as gold plating goes, it's not very expensive, and it's very practical - it stops corrosion. I have lots of different cables with gold plated banana jacks, RCA jacks, mini jacks, etc.
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Old 18th April 2007, 03:55 AM   #19
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A lot of the audiophile gear is iceing on the cake, the chrome plating on the hot rods engine. It's just for show and bragging rights. If I had buckets of money to throw around, I'd buy a few of the oxygen free this or the rhodium plated that or the $8000.00 power conditioner, or the $1100.00 powercord .
It's when a person believes their system is inferior without these things, that's sad.
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I sold a lot of supplies and equipment to both types of hobbyists and became convinced that both groups got what they wanted for their time and money spent.
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