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Old 27th November 2002, 08:39 PM   #21
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Default WHICH ONE IS IT?

Hi Christer,

Is this the Velleman?

It looks like a decent iron to me.

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Old 27th November 2002, 08:56 PM   #22
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Hi Christer,

Is this the Velleman?

It looks like a decent iron to me.

Cheers,
Sorry, forgot to say what it was. Yes, it is the Welleman VTSC-20.
A soldering pen only, so no TC. Its 20W and there are tips down to 0.3mm for it. This one is quite different from Vellemans other
ones, which are thicker and look more like any other brand. As
I said, I don't know much about it except for the tech. specs. but
it looks ergonomically nice. I am tempted to buy it just because
it seems to feel good in the hand - not the least important
aspect of a soldering pen. The price is 237SEK (about $25).

BTW it has ceramic heater. Did anybody know what this means?
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Old 27th November 2002, 09:55 PM   #23
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Christer,

Where do you buy the Vellemans in Sweden?

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Old 27th November 2002, 10:14 PM   #24
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Christer,

Where do you buy the Vellemans in Sweden?

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For instance at

www.bhiab.se
shop.netrix.se/vib
www.svebry.se
www.labbkomponenter.nu
www.kjelloco.se

None of them have all things, so you have to look at several
of these if looking for a specific model.
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Old 28th November 2002, 03:25 AM   #25
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Originally posted by Christer
Chad and other fellow americans,

I understand from your and other previous posts that both
Hakko and Metcal are considered very good by many of you,
but I haven't seen any of those brands around here, so they
seem automatically excluded from consideration.
The Hakko is made in Japan, and I have seen adds for the 936 in UK publications, so it shouldn't be too difficult for you to find. The Hakko is a better quality iron than the Weller (in my opinion) and is very inexpensive here ($80 US).

http://www.wassco.com/9360wsolstat.html

They are worth tracking down.

Phil
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Old 28th November 2002, 03:29 AM   #26
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Almost forgot.

If you do a lot of surface mount work Hakko sells a surface mount tweezer handset you can plug into the 936 base for a reasonable price (around $150 US).

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Old 28th November 2002, 04:10 AM   #27
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Originally posted by Christer

Soldering stations are nice, but how useful is temperature
control in practice? We can be sure not to overheat the
components, but if we don't use longer time than necessary
then the components will not have time to get too hot i think.
I know nothing of wellers or velleman. I have seen Velleman meters, but have never used them.

A few words of wisdom.
Smaller head/heater is nice. Sometimes you can end up burnng insulation on wires, ect. Temp Controlled is the only way to go, and add high power heater if possible. Sometimes you may have to make a solder on a large ground plane, in that case the TC combined with high wattage heater is nice. Ever have a pencil stick while trying to solder a large surface? Won't happen with a TC heater and lots of power. Also, a flexible cord makes a big difference.

Myself, I like PACE. I have had nothing but good luck with them. One thing I like is the way tips are held in place. Just one set screw on the heater. It means you can swap them out quickly. Lots of tips are avalible...

In any case, if you can find a dealer with a show room, it's always nice to get a feel before you buy.


For what it's worth.
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Old 28th November 2002, 06:48 AM   #28
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Phil,

The Hakkos look very nice. The pens seem to have that slim
design like the Velleman i posted a pic of. Unfortunately, they
seem next to impossible to track down within Europe. I have
searched the webb, and I found one company in UK selling them,
with no info on models, prices or how to order. If they are that
hard to find here there will be problems with spare tips etc.

A nice thing with the Hakko, for those living in the right areas,
is that one can order spares for any part of the station/iron.
I found an Australian site with a webbshop where one
could order even the tiniest screws in the station.
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Old 28th November 2002, 11:21 AM   #29
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So, since noobody seemed to know anything about the Velleman
soldering equipment, I decided to make myself a self-appointed
test pilot. Talking to one of the companies selling Velleman here
in Sweden confirmed what i suspected, that Velleman buys these
tools from various suppliers in Asia. They also claimed that the
more expensive versions (expensive for Velleman, that is) are
of quite good quality. I decided to try a station that looks
professional and has a slim-type pen. Actually, the pen looks
suspiciously similar to the Hakko ones, so perhaps it is a
disguised Hakko station (or am I just dreaming) . Anyway, it
is 48W TC station with ceramic heater and looks like this.
Sells for 725SEK (about $80).
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Old 4th December 2002, 03:08 AM   #30
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Christer,

I've used both the Metcal and Weller stations.

The Weller's had good performance in my experience, and seem to be generally regarded as a workhorse. I have an EC2002 that I use sometimes.

The Metcal's are probably the best that can be purchased for a reasonable price. Metcal uses a completely different approach to tips and heating than any of the other manufacturers. Metcal's approach uses RF to power the heating element, which upon reaching Curie point, stops heating. The tips are fixed temperature. For each tip that they make, there are 4 different heat grades. The pro to this is that the tips get hot very quickly and stay hot. The con is that they are expensive and you may have to purchase a variety depending on what you do. The MX500 is a very nice workstation albeit a little pricey ( ~ $500-600 USD)
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