decent soundcard for measuremets - Page 2 - diyAudio
Go Back   Home > Forums > Design & Build > Equipment & Tools

Equipment & Tools From test equipment to hand tools

Please consider donating to help us continue to serve you.

Ads on/off / Custom Title / More PMs / More album space / Advanced printing & mass image saving
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 4th February 2013, 05:54 PM   #11
paba is offline paba  Canada
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Montreal
I'm interested in external USB 24/192 card suggestions too...I was considering the EMU 0204 USB but not too sure. Focus is really test and measurement for DIY projects.

thanks
paba
  Reply With Quote
Old 4th February 2013, 07:28 PM   #12
Telstar is offline Telstar  Italy
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Italy
I wonder if the ADC used in the EMU can be replaced without too much difficulty...
That or the QA400 ($190) would be a good choice IMO.
__________________
"The total harmonic distortion is not a measure of the degree of distastefulness to the listener and it is recommended that its use should be discontinued." D. Masa, 1938
  Reply With Quote
Old 4th February 2013, 11:44 PM   #13
paba is offline paba  Canada
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Montreal
Yeah I had seen that one...
back to cards in general, I think the quality of the SW drivers is also very important and I wonder about some of the cards out that from that perspective..and if the drivers will get updates..
  Reply With Quote
Old 5th February 2013, 07:02 PM   #14
lemon is offline lemon  Greece
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
IMHO until now the best measurement device was EMU 0404 usb 2.0.

With asio drivers works well with ARTA.
It supports 96KHz (DAC) or 192KHz (ADC).

But we need better measurement equipment, especially with the new one dacs like Sabre.
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th February 2013, 06:18 PM   #15
tvrgeek is offline tvrgeek  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Md
I gave up. I use a external "Muse" dac (current BB chipset) for the output and a M-Audio Profire for the input. Why not use the Profire for both you say? Well, it seems all the semi-pro recording boxes insist on some amount of mixing input to output. I would think I was doing fine, but the results were suspicious, or I would move the mic in for nearfield, and get feedback. I was using my DCX for the output, but it is so darn noisy, I don't any more. Need to get off the PC and build a real power supply and better analog outputs, then it would be fine. One of the biggest problems is keeping the 60, 120, 180 harmonics out of the system.
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th February 2013, 06:23 PM   #16
tvrgeek is offline tvrgeek  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Md
BTW, I will NEVER deal with emu/creative again. The even admitted to the memory leak in their driver (1616m) and refused to do anything about it. Big money, total waste of time from an arrogant company. Darn shame as what a box it was! M-Audio has no real support either, just a users forum that one of their engineers trolls sometimes. They want you to PAY for all support. Not even having an e-mail , two business day question line is inexcusable in my book.
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th February 2013, 07:09 PM   #17
regal is offline regal  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: MD
I got burnt by Emu on their 1616 card that wouldn't work with newer motherboards. The loss of native PCI really killed the soundcard market. It looks like Intel is keeping native USB 2.0 so those should be good for a few years.

I think the lack of asychronous USB soundcards (DAC & DAC) has been developers waiting on native USB 3 or thunderbolt, both of which support independent clocks, it would be nice to find a asynchronous USB ADC/DAC with independant PS.

The TOL Asus PCI-e cards are decent, I found a used Asus HDAV1.3 card for $75 which is as good as their STX. Either on of those is the best bet for now but I noticed that they haven't released win 8 drivers.
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th February 2013, 07:26 PM   #18
tvrgeek is offline tvrgeek  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Md
Not happy I can't upgrade my computer as my Profire is FIREWIRE. I have a PCI-Firewire card, but there have been questions on comparability using Win 7 drivers in Win 8. (no Firewire drivers shipped with Win 8) Win 7 drivers SHOULD work under 8, but we are talking Microsoft here. It's bad enough I have to have a USB to RS232 converter to talk to my DCX. Bheringer really needs to strep up with a newer version and give us thumb-drive ports for external memory.

Are you saying the PCIx slot on a new MB is not native PCI? How about the PCIe? Those would have to be because that's where the video and SSD (good ones) boards plug in.

USB3 is I guess where we will have to go. Isn't Apple trying to keep Thunderbolt to themselves?

As far as independent power supplies, that lets you use batteries or build a real one. I bought a phantom power inline box from M-Audio that was powered by a half wave wall wart for my portable setup. It was so noisy it was useless, so I modified it to run on a single 9V battery. Works fine with my E8000.
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th February 2013, 07:41 PM   #19
Telstar is offline Telstar  Italy
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Italy
PCI cards are not compatible with neither pci-e nor pci-x, but some riser cards exist with external pci card slots. It's cumbersome and I wouldn't advice going that route. Moreover the power coming from the computer is not the best, so I wouldn't consider any internal card ideal. Usb2 is the way to go.

I'm going for a separate oscillator/signal generator anyway. Honestly I expected more modding/DIY activity in this topic. Instead I found nobody that attempted to replace the ADC of an emu or such.
__________________
"The total harmonic distortion is not a measure of the degree of distastefulness to the listener and it is recommended that its use should be discontinued." D. Masa, 1938
  Reply With Quote
Old 9th February 2013, 09:46 PM   #20
tvrgeek is offline tvrgeek  United States
diyAudio Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Md
Ah, that external PCI slot. I almost forgot about them. I guess most everything is built into laptops these days, so the need went away. I did not know there were sound cards that used them.

Not much on mods, mostly because we use these things for lo-fi, like speaker measurements. You'll find a lot more on moding the DCX, and over in the digital section, a lot on DAC's. Not much on ADC's though. I suspect if the truth be told, the digital portion of these boxes is not the problem. The power supply and analog is what needs work.

I still have my HP analog generator on the bench. Sometimes it is just plain handy.
  Reply With Quote

Reply


Hide this!Advertise here!
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
looking for a decent enclosure dannycelluk Chip Amps 4 5th January 2010 09:38 PM
R2904/700000 measuremets file...... ermes Multi-Way 6 2nd August 2005 08:10 PM
Is This a Decent Setup?? TheNoodPoopler Car Audio 11 21st May 2004 12:50 AM
decent pc soundcard with multiple outputs? zag0r Digital Source 6 10th May 2004 04:00 PM
Need a decent kit Konnan101 Solid State 4 5th February 2004 06:02 PM


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:36 PM.


vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 1999-2014 diyAudio

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.3.2