I've been reading about these on this forum and google, but with so many different suggestions I just want one that will do the job. I don't mind if it breaks on me in a year or 2, I might not have a use for it then. My last station frustrated me, even with the so called temp control it had troubles soldering larger parts (May have been the tip or my lack of experience). I need an Iron that will allow me to solder delicate IC's and such (No SMD soldering yet) and those large leaded Bridge diodes like "these" as my last one didn't seem hot enough and I needed to leave it on the part longer than I should have.
Will any of the following cheapies yield good results?:
$39.99 + $9.00 ship= $48.99 - Weller WLC100
$39.99 + $13.16 ship= $53.15 - Aoyue Basic Soldering Station 936
$46.95 + 13.98 ship= $60.93 - MPJA LED DISPLAY DIGITAL SOLDER STATION ZD-929C
Lots of good prices on this page......
If any of the above just won't cut it and you think I will just get frustrated then I guess I could break down and get one of these, but only if the above won't work:
$67 + $15 Ship= $82.00 (est) - Madell Soldering Station
$95 + $10 ship= $105 - Weller WES51
$90 + 10 ship= $100 - Hakko 936-12
Please don't recommend me something over $100, I'd most like stick with something on this page unless more than 1 person recommends something else and the price is good.
Thanks for reading, perhaps this post may benefit more people looking for a solid cheap station.
Will any of the following cheapies yield good results?:
$39.99 + $9.00 ship= $48.99 - Weller WLC100
$39.99 + $13.16 ship= $53.15 - Aoyue Basic Soldering Station 936
$46.95 + 13.98 ship= $60.93 - MPJA LED DISPLAY DIGITAL SOLDER STATION ZD-929C
Lots of good prices on this page......
If any of the above just won't cut it and you think I will just get frustrated then I guess I could break down and get one of these, but only if the above won't work:
$67 + $15 Ship= $82.00 (est) - Madell Soldering Station
$95 + $10 ship= $105 - Weller WES51
$90 + 10 ship= $100 - Hakko 936-12
Please don't recommend me something over $100, I'd most like stick with something on this page unless more than 1 person recommends something else and the price is good.
Thanks for reading, perhaps this post may benefit more people looking for a solid cheap station.
You won't regret buying the Hakko. Guaranteed.
Plus, the 936 is currently no longer in production, so prices are actually discounted; you're buying a genuine Made-In-Japan unit that would have cost more than $100 two or more years ago. Parts will always be available, Hakko is excellent that way, and warranty service is available in every nation on Earth with electricity. You cannot say that for the Chinese units you're looking at, and from all reports, you may need it. Even if you don't, build quality is not there. Weller was better, in my opinion, before Cooper Tools bought them. I've used Weller for years but would not buy new production in most cases (the exception is the larger soldering guns).
The 936 is currently only available in North America; everywhere else they have to pay $160+ for it's replacement which, functionally, is the same. You are getting a lot of value at current prices.
Plus, the 936 is currently no longer in production, so prices are actually discounted; you're buying a genuine Made-In-Japan unit that would have cost more than $100 two or more years ago. Parts will always be available, Hakko is excellent that way, and warranty service is available in every nation on Earth with electricity. You cannot say that for the Chinese units you're looking at, and from all reports, you may need it. Even if you don't, build quality is not there. Weller was better, in my opinion, before Cooper Tools bought them. I've used Weller for years but would not buy new production in most cases (the exception is the larger soldering guns).
The 936 is currently only available in North America; everywhere else they have to pay $160+ for it's replacement which, functionally, is the same. You are getting a lot of value at current prices.
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From my own experience - if you can afford it, get a unit that actually senses and controls the tip temperature.
For years I used one of the cheap "variable temp" units that was no more than a variable voltage applied to a "standard" iron with NO feedback for temperature control. And wondered why every time I tried to remove a component from a PC board I'd also lift the trace right off the board. Turns out that the tip temperature on these cheap units, with no feedback to stop it, shoots up really high and adds enough heat to the board to lift the trace.
Then I happened onto a good Weller temp controlled unit. Haven't lifted a trace since.
Charles
For years I used one of the cheap "variable temp" units that was no more than a variable voltage applied to a "standard" iron with NO feedback for temperature control. And wondered why every time I tried to remove a component from a PC board I'd also lift the trace right off the board. Turns out that the tip temperature on these cheap units, with no feedback to stop it, shoots up really high and adds enough heat to the board to lift the trace.
Then I happened onto a good Weller temp controlled unit. Haven't lifted a trace since.
Charles
To solder delicate items on a pcb you need a low watt iron of around 20 or 30 watt. I do not use a temperature controlled iron and find the cheap 20 watt weller iron with long life tips very effective. I have been using these to build amplifiers for many years.
To solder a bridge however you need a much more powerful iron to ensure a solid joint. I do not believe any of the listed irons could give sufficient energy to solder a heavy joint such as a bridge successfully - the joint might look ok but it would not be homegenious. For heavy work such as a bridge or power amp output wiring I use a weller 100 watt solder gun.
Don
To solder a bridge however you need a much more powerful iron to ensure a solid joint. I do not believe any of the listed irons could give sufficient energy to solder a heavy joint such as a bridge successfully - the joint might look ok but it would not be homegenious. For heavy work such as a bridge or power amp output wiring I use a weller 100 watt solder gun.
Don
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The Weller WES51 or WESD51 is the way to go in my opinion. $100 spent now. It'll last the rest of your life if you don't abuse it. Those things are work horses.
The WTCPT is a solid work horse also. They last decades even with hours of daily use.
The WES51 and WESD51 allow you to set the temperature with a dial. Handy at times, but most of the time it'll remain set at 650 or 700 F. The tips are good for smaller stuff. If you do a lot of work on bigger parts (large caps, speaker terminals, components with large thermal mass) you may want a bigger tip -- or the WTCPT.
The WTCPT does not allow you to change temperature on the fly. You have to change the tip for that.
I use an old TCP that I bought in the late 1980'ies. It's rock solid. That's a predecessor to the WTCPT.
Buy a good tool. Don't waste your money on the $50 toys. Spend the $100 and have a tool for life.
~Tom
The WTCPT is a solid work horse also. They last decades even with hours of daily use.
The WES51 and WESD51 allow you to set the temperature with a dial. Handy at times, but most of the time it'll remain set at 650 or 700 F. The tips are good for smaller stuff. If you do a lot of work on bigger parts (large caps, speaker terminals, components with large thermal mass) you may want a bigger tip -- or the WTCPT.
The WTCPT does not allow you to change temperature on the fly. You have to change the tip for that.
I use an old TCP that I bought in the late 1980'ies. It's rock solid. That's a predecessor to the WTCPT.
Buy a good tool. Don't waste your money on the $50 toys. Spend the $100 and have a tool for life.
~Tom
I just bought one of these to replace a unit that failed after 20+ years. It makes me wish my old Weller unit had broken sooner. I paid about $80 at Fry's.
The fault in the above logic is that with a temperature controlled iron you have the power of 100W gun always available but can still do small surface mount ports. So if I place the tip of the iron on something big, like for example, a brass #10 machine screw the unit sees the temperature of the tip drop and then applies more power. the unit will self adjust the wattage based of the size of the part you are soldering
Yes I do use #10 bras screws. I make my own terminal blocks by first attaching the screw to a PCB with a brass nut, then solding the head and nut to the PCB. I'm left witha brass threaed stud that makes a good single point ground.. I can solder this with the same iron I use to SMT components
I expect to have a gas iron in a couple of days, for the heavy work, speaker crossover work etc
but longer work sequencies probably wont be its favourite
btw, it seems they are allowed to sell lead solder again, for private use only
and they are probably getting it very cheap
I have only tried one type of lead free
and boy, I have never had that much smoke before
and no doubt very toxic
talking about irony
but I found the trick, hot and fast
and preferably remove the solder tin after the solder iron
but tricky
seems the new tips made for lead free are made stronger
so maybe best not use lead free
but longer work sequencies probably wont be its favourite
btw, it seems they are allowed to sell lead solder again, for private use only
and they are probably getting it very cheap
I have only tried one type of lead free
and boy, I have never had that much smoke before
and no doubt very toxic
talking about irony
but I found the trick, hot and fast
and preferably remove the solder tin after the solder iron
but tricky
seems the new tips made for lead free are made stronger
so maybe best not use lead free
Soldering station
Check out circuit specialist.
Circuit Specialists Inc. - CSI Deluxe Station w/Analog Display (CSI-STATION1A)
This like many other stations is a knock off of a well known brand. You can use same tips and heating elements. You can get extra tips off Ebay (from China) for under $1 shipped.
If your looking for an inexpensive starter soldering station its hard to beat.
Check out circuit specialist.
Circuit Specialists Inc. - CSI Deluxe Station w/Analog Display (CSI-STATION1A)
This like many other stations is a knock off of a well known brand. You can use same tips and heating elements. You can get extra tips off Ebay (from China) for under $1 shipped.
If your looking for an inexpensive starter soldering station its hard to beat.
Wow!! This Hakko is working very nicely, my old station couldn't solder an 18 gauge wire to a 12 gauge electrical house wire. This one does it quite nicely!! I've nearly finished my first gainclone (sans a case...gotta find something to put it in cosmetically). The Hakko soldered everything flawlessly and quickly. Thanks guys for talking me into it
. I'm very happy I spent the extra money.
. I'm very happy I spent the extra money.
remember to take very good care of your tips
Dont leave the iron on for long periods if you are not using it.
If it has a temperature control try not to leave it on high for long if possible.
Go to the Hakko USA site and check out a few of the PDFs they have there. Great info on tip maintenance, soldering lead-free, correct temperatures, etc. Useful for any temperature controlled iron user.
I love my Hakko ... making perfect, solid solder connections in 3 seconds, and having the iron recover 2 seconds or less after that probably has something to do with it ;-) Even on a heavy solder job we're talking maybe 6 seconds to recover.
My tip for soldering very heavy connections is to pre-heat with a heat gun. Not for electronics, but I've use it while soldering 4-gauge 120-strand welding cable. Works great, even with a light 30W "Rat-Shack" iron; better than the Weller 100/140 Guns, which work good up to perhaps 8 GA.
I love my Hakko ... making perfect, solid solder connections in 3 seconds, and having the iron recover 2 seconds or less after that probably has something to do with it ;-) Even on a heavy solder job we're talking maybe 6 seconds to recover.
My tip for soldering very heavy connections is to pre-heat with a heat gun. Not for electronics, but I've use it while soldering 4-gauge 120-strand welding cable. Works great, even with a light 30W "Rat-Shack" iron; better than the Weller 100/140 Guns, which work good up to perhaps 8 GA.
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Consider also Ersa
For professional use, I believe nothing better than the Weller. I have a WSD80 and I am fully satified with it.
But as a spare tool I just bought a Ersa RDS80. At less than half the Weller price (about 150 EURO for the ERSA) you have a nice tool. I have very good experience with the stand-alone pencil welding tools of Ersa, the are rock solid ad I have one more tha 20 years old. The RDS80 looks a little bit lighter construction than usual (I suspect that it is not made in Germany) , especially the cable and the connector from the pen to the base, but overall it works well, you have digital display, 3 memorized setups and you will find spares (bits, etc) everywhere and for long time.
Yust my 2 Lire.
effebi
For professional use, I believe nothing better than the Weller. I have a WSD80 and I am fully satified with it.
But as a spare tool I just bought a Ersa RDS80. At less than half the Weller price (about 150 EURO for the ERSA) you have a nice tool. I have very good experience with the stand-alone pencil welding tools of Ersa, the are rock solid ad I have one more tha 20 years old. The RDS80 looks a little bit lighter construction than usual (I suspect that it is not made in Germany) , especially the cable and the connector from the pen to the base, but overall it works well, you have digital display, 3 memorized setups and you will find spares (bits, etc) everywhere and for long time.
Yust my 2 Lire.
effebi
for what it's worth i have owned 2 of these irons for at least 15 years
and thy are still going strong... Catalog No. WTCPT Product Detail
i am an electronic technician by trade so i solder often.......
the Hakko's are okay too.....
Why do i own 2 you ask?????
it is because the tip controls the temp.....
i have one for small work, and one for larger work....
just easier for me....
and thy are still going strong... Catalog No. WTCPT Product Detail
i am an electronic technician by trade so i solder often.......
the Hakko's are okay too.....
Why do i own 2 you ask?????
it is because the tip controls the temp.....
i have one for small work, and one for larger work....
just easier for me....
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