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Old 3rd April 2016, 01:02 PM   #1
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Hello ppl,

I have a question for owners of CLIO Pocket or CLIO System. I currently have funds to buy a measurement system but, also thinking about buying a decent LCR meter. A good LCR meter costs about upwards of $1200 (something that can do frequency sweep up to 100khz with a precision of 0.05% and display it on MS Excel) and considering how much the CLIO or event the CLIO Pocket costs, I need to learn about its LCR meter function.

-How critical is it to have a good LCR meter (vs CLIO) for speaker building (including xovers), amp building ?
-Is the LCR meter in the CLIO Pocket or CLIO sufficient enough?
-What is essential in the CLIO package that is missing from CLIO Pocket and that can not be implemented with future firmware/software updates (I know that they plan to do more updates on its functionality as time passes)?

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Old 3rd April 2016, 01:13 PM   #2
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The important part of any measurement is repeatability. I bought a 15 tester and have a selection of new 1% capacitors. They all read 2% high in value and regardless of when I test them, they read the same, so does the ESR. So, knowing that it reads 2% high, everytime, I can easily correlate my measurements and be fairly accurate. Why would anyone require 0.05% accuracy in a crossover? The loudspeakers are the weak link and they will definitely not be anywhere near 5% matching, let alone 0.05%, at most frequencies! Don't waste your money when there is no need.
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Thanks for the reply...but...hmmm...how do you get to know that it reads 2% higher? I mean what is the point of reference, is it just the markings on the caps? Thanks.
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Thanks for the reply...but...hmmm...how do you get to know that it reads 2% higher? I mean what is the point of reference, is it just the markings on the caps? Thanks.
Just the markings on the caps? The markings is the value of the component.
By knowing the value of known close tolerance components and subtracting the absolute known value from the read value. There is your difference and that will calculate to the tolerance and you can easily convert it to a usable figure that is repeatable with good accuracy.
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I can't comment on the CLIO, but I have been nursing along an old LAUD loudspeaker/FFT system for 18 years. I prefer the measurement approach used by system like LAUD and CLIO for measuring capacitance and inductance over an LCR meter. The best thing you can say about the LCR meter is that most work quickly in both setup and measurement. Convenient.

Assuming that CLIO measures in a similar way to LAUD, you will have more data and a good visual sense of component measurements. In LAUD, I can get a measurement of complex impedance at a desired frequency. Plus, you will be able to measure and use both sound level and impedance measurements of speakers (in box and raw) which will help you develop better speakers.

In my opinion, the CLIO approach is much more valuable than the LCR meter.

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-How critical is it to have a good LCR meter (vs CLIO) for speaker building (including xovers), amp building ?
-Is the LCR meter in the CLIO Pocket or CLIO sufficient enough?
-What is essential in the CLIO package that is missing from CLIO Pocket and that can not be implemented with future firmware/software updates (I know that they plan to do more updates on its functionality as time passes)?
1. If you are doing passive crossovers, it is very useful to have a good LCR meter.
2. Yes, very much so.
3. The Pocket has nearly all the "essential" features for home speaker design and optimization. The latest updates include polar pattern, which to me was the only significant missing feature. The full-blown package has a lot of nice-to-have features, but the Pocket covers the essentials.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 02:55 PM   #7
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Also, try this thread.

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/equip...io-pocket.html
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Old 3rd April 2016, 04:15 PM   #8
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Hi,
I own a Clio Pocket. Until now, I found the measurements of drivers impedance repetitively consistent. More than my formely Smith & Larson's WtPro.
However I am quite disappointed with the software which is not very ergonomic and much less powerful that WtPro. This part of the product needs to be enhanced a lot to have a real commercial attractiveness.
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Interesting- I thought the software was very easy to use and intuitive. What things have you found difficult or clumsy?
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Old 3rd April 2016, 09:21 PM   #10
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I did follow the CLIP Pocket thread and from all the answers I see that its essentiallya good system. However, I am still in doubt about CLIO Pocket's ability to match a good LCR meter. I have a friends thats willing to give me a NF zm2372 LCR meter (spec sheet) for 900 bucks and it can do milli ohms as well.

From SY's answer I see that a good LCR Meter is important but SY also states that the CLIO pockets LCR Meter is good enough. But I guess I am having a hard time believing that a 600 dollar device can measure LCR values as well as a 3500 dollar device...
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